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So much blood
ON BOARD-TWO WALLS, TWO DUDES 36
The hardest part
CANVAS...........................42
History left intact
ON BOARD-FULFILL THE DREAM	46
Hard to navigate
LUNATIC FRINGE	58
Rite of passage
ON BOARD-DAVE BERGTHOLD	68
I've been lucky
EPIC SPOTS......................74
Sacred ground
ABNORMAL COMMUNICATION	82
Fire
PHOTO-G.........................186
Flaps his wings
RIP-JAMES HARDY	194
In our hearts
RIP-TIM ACHILLE	196
Always smiling
TRASH..............................200
Chess with my body
FIRING LINE........................202
Both are great
SOMETHIN1 ELSE	204
Eclipsing his glory
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Jhancarlos Gonzalez, P. 152
FEATURES
LURKER LOU......................88
Leave me alone
CHALLENGES & ESSENTIALS	102
Culture shock of it all
HEADS-GORDON	120
Heavy Vegas blowout
HEADS-COLLINS..................126
It's stee
PHOTO FEATURE	132
Bucket tap
JHANCARLOS GONZALEZ	152
Panda Express and cookies
TY SEGALL.......................174
Nice of you
TO THE DOGS.....................176
Means a lot
COLD HART.......................178
Love the energy
CARDIEL.........................180
Let us crash
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young skateboarder in a small Georgia town
is facing a felony charge for a video of himself
skating a curb. They’ve offered to drop it to a
misdemeanor if he pays $1200 in restitution,
$ 1500 dollars in fines, three years of probation
and drug and alcohol dasses/testing (which
have nothing to do with thing he’s being
charged with). I’m not emailing you to ask for
money, but the entire situation seems surreal
and unjust. Is there anything that Thrasher or
the skateboarding community at large can do?
I hate to see a fellow skateboarder have his
entire life ruined over a boardslide. We may be
able to get sponsored by a skate shop called
Urban Feet, but I personally don't have the
budget to run an event by myself.
Andrew Graab
Damn. Who runs that town? Boss Hogg?—Ted
vids like Pretty Sweet. When’s the
next one they’re gonna do?
Garrett Kilmer
Lakai knows: you never half-step on
a full length. —Ted
SIREN SONG
Skating is dangerous but I’ve never
felt safer any place in my life than
standing on my board—not even a
mother's arms could bring me that
comfort. I’ve seen some serious
things in my life but skating was
my escape. I had a near-death
experience and I’m lucky to still be here.
The police report said they thought the crime
scene was a homicide because I lost so much
blood. Hopefully, my next near-death
I’ve seen some things but
skating was my escape”
FENG SHUI
I figured out nollie backside flips in the past
month. I never thought I would land one and
now I can land about one out of five. 1 always
experience will be from
skating. I want to die
skating, not anything else.
I’ve been in and out of the
system since I was 13 years
old. 1 can hear skate spots
out there screaming my
name.
Daniel Ramos
Some skate spots seduce,
harass and entrap you. —Ted
liked Jim Greco’s nollie backside flips.
And Mike Carroll’s. Chris Cole has a good
one. 1 can also do nollie backside heelflips
(I’ve had those for years), but they have a
different energy. The vibe of that trick doesn’t
suit me. 1 have to use a bunch of energy to do
that trick. Nollie backside kickflips require
less energy from me. I like that.
Jake Lowell
Tricks have different vibes, for sure. You just gotta
tune in. —Ted

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Skateboarding is a very popular sport.
The handboard is becoming popular and the
fingerboard has sold well for a long time.
Similar to these toys is what I call
“the flipboard"—a board shaped like a
rectangle you toss, flip and throw with your
hands and fingers doing skateboard tricks.
It can be the size of your thumb, hand, foot or
bigger. The boards can have graphics or
stickers. Something designed for older and
younger children could have the most sales.
Your company would benefit by working
with skateboard, snowboard, bike and
Rollerblading industries for marketing the
product. I am looking for a company to
facilitate the production and distribution of
the flipboard. My goal is to create and sell a
flipboard product to a wide group of people.
Thank you for considering “the flipboard" as
a product.
Matt G.
How about we trademark oxygen and then charge
people for breathing?—T-ed
HONOR ROLL
If Thrasher ever wants to give
back to the community,
you should start a skate
scholarship You could pay for
travel and schooling for a
young skate prodigy.
Guillermo Avila
We ve been paying for
Frank Gerwers aromatherapy
since 2008. —Ted
SHAW SHANK
Greetings from Pelican Bay
State Prison. Believe it or
not, we have a skate team here. Unfortunately
we're not allowed to have skateboards in
prison. So, our skate team is more like a
freestyle walking team. Still, we are allowed
Thrasher magazines. It’s nice to be able to
share these mags. The Pelican Bay skate team
shares opinions about articles and pictures
and, yes. Mail Drop. Seeing that other inmates
have reached out to you raises our spirits.
“Seeing that other inmates have
| reached out to you raises our spirits”
Any true skater will tell you that skateboarding
isn’t just a state of mind, it’s a way of life—
whether it’s found on the streets or in the
pages of your favorite skate mag. Freedom is
also a state of mind. Thank you, Thrasher,
for providing an escape in every issue.
A. Eidem
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Every other company does. —Ted^
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Jimmy Wilkins and Shea Donavan
double up for a DIY vert video
id you guys decide to make this
doubles video because it’s that
hard to find somebody to come
film vert?
Jimmy: That’s not untrue.
Shea: Yeah, it seems to get harder and harder.
J: It’s kind of like filming a manual trick—
it’s pretty time intensive and I don't know
if everyone’s down for that. It seems like
you get a filmer for a little while and then
that filmer actually becomes a real skate
filmer and then they quickly leave the
vert ramp.
So whose camera is this? I noticed it’s
not the one with the $10,000 lens.
J: It’s Tim Fulton's camera. I think he’s done
with it. I think the first time he watched us we
might have collided with it.
£ He knows what’s going on. I don’t know if
he’s too attached to it.
What was the learning curve to film
like this?
J: We’ve been doing it for a while, but every
time you’re filming something new there’s the
first three tries where you’re usually trying to
dial in the timing and stuff. But for the most
part it’s not too bad. Learning how to use an
actual camera was probably the hardest part.
Right. ’Cause a lot of people do this
with the GoPro which is like the size of
a Tic Tac. Why’d you wanna use a real
camera?
J: The look of it. The GoPro has a certain look
that isn’t great. They’re so light so it makes it
easy for some stuff, but 1 think the camera we
have is plenty light and it looks a lot better.
It looks a lot more like a skate video.
Would it be better if you’re opposite
stances so you could be facing each
other? What are the pros and cons of
same stance?
S: It’s hard when we were doing the over-
under stuff. You could only do someone going
frontside under a backside trick. But if we
were opposite stance it would be a lot easier
to go either way.
Yeah, ’cause you can’t film behind you.
£ Right. So we’re really only getting one way
going under.
J: Yeah, and if you’re the person filming when
you’re under it you don’t go too high so it’s
okay to skate switch or whatever. But yeah,
there’s definitely some things where being
different stances would be nice ’cause neither
of us know any switch tricks.
If you were gonna add in a goofy footer
into the filming trio, who would it be?
J: Sam Beckett, no question.
£. Oh, for sure.
Yeah. That’ll be the next video.
Vert’s been called the loneliest
discipline. Was it nice to finally
have a friend?
J: Yeah, it’s nice finally getting to
skate with another person.
£ That’s why we really did this—
to have a friend.
Were there any especially close
calls? Did anybody accidentally
go into the pit of death or
anything?
£ Luckily, no. The only one 1
feel like we got actually close on
is when we hand off the camera
on the flat. There were one or
two where our boards almost
caught their trucks with each
other.
J; I ran over Shea's board a few
times and took some slams.
But nothing terrible, really.
Who’s the greatest vert filmer
of all time?
J: Oh, man, probably Gregson.
S: I think Tylre Wilcox crushes it.
J. We used to have Tylre a lot in our
zone before he upgraded.
£* Any filmer that was willing to
come to the vert ramp has
upgraded. Anyone who’s willing to
do it is the greatest vert filmer of
all time, ф
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skateboarding long before our era. These
works illustrate gladi-skater battles, scenes
of injuries typical of skateboarding, as well
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MAGDALENA WOSINSKA’Sj
FULFILL THE DREAM” _
1 Interview by Chad Muska
Y ith h€r camera> persistence and a penchant for thrill seeking. AZ skater
fl fl J Magdalena Wosinska became friends with a who’s who of late ’90s/early
’00s skate stars. In her very personal new book Fulfill the Dream she
shares the stories and intimate photos of (mostly) those years—documenting her
family, friends, crazy nights, romantic relationships and even a prom date with Peter
Smolik, all while searching for her identity and a job at a skate magazine. Spoiler alert:
her dream was fulfilled, though not in our nickel-and-dime biz—she’s now a highly-
sought-after celebrity/fashion/fine-arts photographer. Fellow-traveler Chad Muska
investigates. —MB
Muska: I just ordered my copy of your
new book. I like to support my friends!
You can't fade the Muska, but my
memory's faded! This book is a real trip
through your early life. How hard was it
for you to put this book out and to put
yourself out there, with a lot of intimate
experiences of your childhood and teens
and coming of age?
Magdalena: So, 1 guess 1 can start from the
beginning: I moved to America in 1990 from
communist Poland, and it was, you know,
we got oranges for Christmas. Communism’s a
gnarly way to live. When we came to America
there was abundance and access to new
things. There was so much culture shock that
I was like, Man. I don't feel like 1 fit in. I don't
understand why Гт in this world. I turned into
more of a tomboy when I moved to America
’cause I had to build armor to be accepted as
an immigrant. And I didn’t speak English, so 1
learned how to speak English by listening to
Eazy-E and Tupac. That’s why I cuss so much
even though I’m 40. It was a unique culture to
step into, and so when I was going to school
I didn’t feel like I belonged. The people that
had an outcast and misfit community were the
skaters and I was like, Ah, this is my family.
So I was drawn to them. But even in that
moment of being drawn to a family of misfits 1
was still a misfit in that way where I was a girl.
And back in 1995, in Phoenix, Arizona, there
were like two girls I met skateboarding in the
decade that I skated. I started skating when
I was 12 and it was like, there was no Internet;
I didn’t know who Elissa Steamer was because
I couldn’t afford the videos. I felt too scared to
go to skate shops as a girl because I didn’t
want people to call me a poser because I
didn’t know people and there was no Internet
to see what is out there. So you think you’re
the only person in the world trying to learn
how to ollie in a cul-de-sac. And then after
I started skating a bunch and a few of the
Arizona homies started to take me under their
wing and everybody else started street
skating, I was like, Man, I need to have a reason
to be there, but Гт not good enough to jump
down a 20-stair handrail and do all the fun
things that people are doing. So I was starting
to shoot photos when I was 14 and I’m like,
If I shoot photos I have a reason to be here and
I can give something back and then I can be
accepted. And it was like my love language;
it was like a passport and my language to be
accepted into a world that I feel like I still
didn’t even belong in. Even though
skateboarding was my family of misfits,
you’re still a misfit in the family of misfits
‘cause you’re a girl and it was just a different
time. Remember skateboarding in the ’90s?
It was very different than now. Now people
are athletes. Back then it was just like we
were the rebels and I don't know if people
took us seriously. Being a girl in that world
was tricky, so to navigate that as a girl but
then also trying to be a skate photographer
was hard because I shot photos of skaters
every day. I had to work three jobs as a
waitress, a telemarketer and at the food court
at the mall to afford to get film. 1 lied about
my age to get a job—I said 1 was 16 when I
was 14 just so I could buy film. Then I ended
up buying a Nikon F5 and I was like. Fuck
yeah, eight frames a second, that's amazing.
Nobody was giving me free film or a chance
to shoot for anybody because 1 was shooting
regular kids in Arizona. 1 wasn't shooting
pros. And then that’s when I was like, I’m
gonna move to California and try to be a skate
photographer, when 1 was like 20. But even
then they're like, Yeah, you’re a girl;people are
gonna wanna fuck you over and not take you
this is not what 1 expected, you know?
It was hard to navigate—to get
people to take me seriously. I got
discouraged from shooting skate
photos after ten years ’cause I was
like, if I go on tour with the pros all
the great skate photographers were
already there so I would never get
the spot. You’re always like the
second shooter. You're shooting from a
different angle. You're never gonna get a
published photo. So I stopped shooting skate
photos for ten years and started a metal band
with Ethan Fowler. I played guitar in a band
with him for seven or eight years and then
started shooting skating again in my 30s
because I was like, Fuck this, this is my dream to
be a published skate photographer. Honestly,
1 wanted to shoot for Thrasher, so if we could
ever figure that out that would be amazing.
But it’s such a crazy thing that I had to prove
myself in the world of photography for
scene later on, as not a skate photographer.
So it comes full circle, so the reason why the
book is called Fulfill the Dream—obviously,
thank you, Chad, for making that video, but it
was also like this was me fulfilling my dreams.
Maybe Г11 just be the skate photographer
that's publishing my own book first. And so
this was just like my whole life’s journey to
this place where I felt a sense of belonging
and self acceptance, but also like weirdly an
endless search for femininity ‘cause I always
felt like such a dude with all the dudes. ’Cause
the only way I could fit in with a bunch of
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guys was if I just became one of them. So 1
wore baggy pants and I shaved my head and
I wore the studded belt and the puffy eS shoes
and I looked like a dude. And then I was
like, Hmm, I wanna be a girl now, so if 1 put this
out into the world maybe it will allow me to
become the woman I’ve wanted to be. And it’s
been cathartic, I cried a bunch making this
book. 'Cause going back to that time, it was
hard to see the people that passed away, the
people who are not in a good place in life now,
a lot of the people who are in an amazing
place in life now. It was a beautiful-but-
emotional journey Sorry, that’s a lot, but that’s
my summary of the book.
No, it’s great and I see that it is an
emotional journey that you’re expressing
through the book. And a lot of it comes
back to that search for identity and
acceptance—coming as an immigrant
and finding your place in America.
But it’s interesting that it almost never
ended for you. Do you feel like it’s still
going on, your search for acceptance?
Totally. That’s stuff that's ingrained in certain
people’s brains, but I think all of us, especially
skaters, might have not said this like 20 years
ago, but we're all trying to find a family. We’re
all trying to find love, you know what I mean?
That's what it comes down to. Twenty years
ago if you said that—we wouldn’t be capable
of saying that, especially around men.
Not to interrupt, but I disagree a little bit
with that. ’Cause I always remember
skating being that, at least for me.
1 get what you're saying. For me and that
perspective, like a girl «
watching a bunch of dudes, И
I didn't know if they were
looking for—like if they
were seeking out love in
skateboarding. But now I know
1 was—love for myself, love for
the sport, love for the family, love for the
community. You guys had such camaraderie
but it was a boy’s club, so I didn't sit in the
“We're all trying
I to find a family
van for months and see the love amongst
you guys. I was always knocking on the
door trying to get in the room to take a
picture. 1 wasn’t a skate photographer;
I wasn’t a man; I wasn’t a pro skater
shooting photos of my friends. So getting in
to even shoot those photos in that time was
so hard. When I started the book, Nuge and
Kenny Anderson and a couple people
looked at the layout and said. 1 don't
remember you taking these photos. 1 had to be
strategic about taking pictures ’cause it
wasn’t taken seriously or allowed. Also back
then when you’re a girl and you skated,
it didn’t even matter if you went to the
skatepark every single day and you tried to
kickflip the pyramid like all the dudes.
When you were a girl you were for some
reason, you were like a pro ho. That’s what
people would call you, even if you skated.
Luckily, you didn’t and none of my friends
did, but it was like you were always having
to prove yourself, like—Гт not sleeping with
these people. They re just my friends. But for
me it was, I'm trying to get a sick photo so I
can finally be a published photographer.
I believe that the dynamic between a
girl photographer and a guy subject—
like, you have a very different
interaction. Let’s say Burnett shot with
Smolik one day and then you shoot a
photo with Smolik one day, I guarantee
the two portraits that you’re gonna get
would be very different because
that’s one very important aspect of
photography—the interaction between
the subject and the photographer.
And so 1 believe that you have a unique
ability to capture something that very
few were capturing.
Yeah, thank you. It’s a different sense of
vulnerability. Or sometimes the cool thing is
when people don’t take you seriously and
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under their wing—Shad Lambert
was the first photographer that
was like, This is the camera you
need to buy; this is the stuff you
Brandon’s alarm clock so they would miss
their flight the next day so we could have one
more day to hang out in Vancouver ’cause we
wouldn’t have a place to sleep if they left.
you almost get their guard down and you
get a better picture. ’Cause like when I shot
Joaquin Phoenix for the cover of The New
York Times, that dude doesn’t take me
seriously so he lets his guard down and I
shoot a photo of him sitting on a skateboard
and then it goes all over the world. I don’t
take it too seriously either. I’m doing it to
have fun. I’m so grateful for photography and
I’m so grateful for skateboarding because it
shaped me into who I am now and it taught
me about resilience and camaraderie. And
also the thing about skating: you can’t fake
it. You either know how to do a good three
flip with style or you don’t. You can’t fake
skateboarding; you can’t pretend and
Photoshop yourself into being an amazing
person on the Internet. You have to show up
and fall on your ass every day until you
figure it out. And you just hit the concrete
and get a million concussions and you do it
over and over and that builds resilience.
I’m so grateful that I grew up in that family
of skateboarders. And the people that took me
need to do; let me give you some
free film. Everybody was—when they were
cool, they were so cool. Peter and Brandon,
for instance. Do you know this story, Chad?
How I met them?
I think 1 was in Hollywood mode at that
time. I didn’t know what was going on.
1 was like 17 years old and I went to Slam City
Jam. I flew myself out there with my
waitressing money and I was like, Гт gonna
sneak in and somehow get to shoot photos, but I
didn’t have a pass and nobody could get me a
hookup to get on the floor and shoot photos.
And so I run into Psycho Mike, we become
homies and he’s like. Here, and he gave me his
pass and we ended up partying and hanging
out and becoming friends and then he
introduces me to Brandon and Peter and we
all ended up going out and having the time of
our lives for three or four days. And then the
last day we were al) there our hotel room ran
out. We had no place to sleep, so they let us
crash with them because Shorty’s was paying
for it. And then me and Mike reset Peter and
So we reset their alarm clock, they all missed
their flights and we hung out in Vancouver
after Slam City and all stayed an extra day and
we became good friends. So then I’d come up
on skate trips to go to San Diego and then
they took me to the Shorty’s park and then I
was like, kbu guys. / am graduating high school
and 1 have no one to go to prom with. I’m like—
we were just friends, but would you guys come
to prom with me? And they’re like. Totally!
So they drive in Peter’s white Escalade to
Phoenix, Arizona, him and Brandon.
Peter takes me. I made my own prom dress
and we go to prom together and we roll up to
prom smoking blunts. So much weed is oozing
out of the Escalade and then every skater at
the school that never took me seriously
before, their jaws just dropped. They were
like, What the fuck s going on? And I’m
like. These are my friends! That’s how we ended
up going to prom together. I’m like. This is the
craziest thing ever. Somehow I found those
photos and I was able to put them in the book,
which I’m so grateful for.
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Yeah, that picture is pure gold.
Then me and Brandon reconnected after like
20 years and I saw him last week for the book
opening. I’m trying to get Smolik to come out.
It’s been amazing to reconnect with people 20
years later and be like, Remember when we were
crazy back then and now we have crystals in our
houses and all meditate and do pilates. We’re on
the same trajectory and timeline, but it took
20 years to fuck up and then get to this place.
And it’s fun to reconnect with all these skaters
that we were so rowdy with and now we're
all into the same shit. Like you too, Chad.
You and I are so aligned on our lifestyles and
health and stuff like that; it’s fucking cool.
You know I also thought about you.
When I go through this book I see how
many different crews you connected
with. And skateboarding has these
various people and they kind of all stay
with each other in a lot of ways. And like
myself, I’ve always rolled solo because
then Гт able to connect with everybody.
That reminds me of you and this book,
when 1 see that you just—you’re able to
make this cool connection but you don’t
just stay within this one group or social
circle of people within skateboarding.
Гт glad to call you my friend and I can
keep rambling. I don’t know if that was a
question or statement or what.
No, I appreciate it. I always say that I’ve shot
the same photo, like literally the same photo,
for the last 26 years. Гт 40 now and 1 started
when I was 14.1 shot the same pictures; the
only thing that changes is the subject matter.
So. one day it was a kid at the skatepark, the
next day it was my dying mother, the next day
it’s some rock star for the cover of an album.
But it’s the same picture. And my whole thing
is finding a sense of home with every person
I take a picture of, a sense of belonging.
I always wanna get on the same level of
somebody else and just be like, How can I
make this person feel seen and comfortable?
’Cause I’ve always wanted to feel seen and
comfortable because I never really have.
So I think that’s been the journey.
You’ve been an all-around creative
person, you’ve expressed yourself
through skateboarding, through
photography, through music. Your entire
life—the house, the architecture that
you create, the set design for your
photography, you’re much more than a
photographer. You’ve done so many
different things and this book only
captures one aspect of those things.
Is that a fair statement?
Yeah, totally. I thank you for seeing me in a
rounded way as a human. That’s awesome.
But it all comes from the same place of paying
attention to detail and being able to explore
the world through different things that make
you comfortable—whether it’s the way you
curate a space, it’s just a sense of feeling good
and comfortable, to how you curate a picture.
It all ties in, right?
It’s kind of like how you look at a skate
spot. You see stairs or a handrail or a gap
with a nice tree in the background and
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in that family of
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you wanna aesthetically put that all
together. It’s definitely so many things in
my life that I do outside of skateboarding
that always continue to have their origins
and come from skateboarding and all the
lessons that it’s taught me,
Yeah, totally. And isn't it funny that forever,
no matter how old we get, we're gonna be like
95 years old and we’re gonna be driving down
the freeway and be like, Oh, look at those hubba
ledges? It’s forever.
Maybe I have to find a girlfriend that
looks at them with me. Maybe that’s
been my problem all this time.
They were always like, Why are you
slowing down and looking at this thing?
Yeah, maybe we’re supposed to get married.
Is that the end goal of this interview?
Magda Muska? I like the sounds of that.
I just wanna end this by saying I’m very
proud of you—your continuous
efforts of putting yourself out there,
the vulnerability of it all. You’re a very
brave person in general and a strong
person and I have a lot of respect for
you. You’ve done so many great things
and I look forward to seeing what the
future holds. I love you, Magda.
Magda Muska—who knows? Maybe we’ll
go on a date one night. You never know.
Oh yeah, you’re the best. Thank you so much.
It means the world to me. This is literally
fulfilling the dream for Thrasher to cover this
and to talk to you about my book. I'm so
grateful and honored and thank you for being
in my life. I love you, Chad, and maybe we’ll
get married, ф
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strength of the pack. This instinctual behavior can clearly be
evidenced in humans as well. Take skate trips for example—the youngest
person in the mix typically gets the living shit hazed out of them. This rite
of passage is intended to toughen up the individual so their weakness does
not negatively affect the group as a whole. Gavin Bottger hopped in the van
as a child and certainly received his lumps. On early missions he replaced
CJ Collins as the youngest member of the crew. Good news for CJ; bad
news for Gavin. After having previously taken the brunt of the hierarchical
hits, CJ drew a bead on Gavin, making sure he took the majority of the
metaphorical beatings moving forward. Now, at a mere 17 years of age,
Gavin is a seasoned soldier. He’s racked up so many frequent-flyer miles that
upon landing in any foreign destination he’s armed with hit list of restaurants
and spots to check out—again. Don’t trust him when it comes to ordering
burritos, though—homie goes all meat, no beans, rice or veggies. Gotta
say: despite being almost an adult, that’s some straight-up toddler shit. If
Google can be trusted, Gavin is currently sitting at number one in the world
skateboard ranking. We don’t really know exactly what that means, except
that he’ll probably find himself in Paris this summer hoping for some podium
placement. Until then, we’re just glad that he’s out in the streets and in the
parks going off the old-fashioned way—with no announcer or teleprompter
in sight. —Howard Upton *
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Grinding into 60
XSlT Iright, Dave. A lot of skaters your
age are content to scrape a grind
and toilet-bowl carve into their
golden years. What got you grinding this
100-foot-long rail down a mountain?
Well, that's not what I do every day. We’re
making the first Blockhead video since 1994.
We re trying to keep it fun. but still trying to
challenge ourselves. And so that was probably
my biggest challenge I’ve done in my life—
at almost 60 years old. It might seem like the
wrong time to try something like that. But for
me, I guess it’s the right time.
Definitely. There’s not too many skaters
at 60 trying new challenges like that.
How long have you been at it?
I started skating in 1974 when I was ten years
old. so that makes 50 years of thrash boarding.
How recently did you start skating rails
like this—coping not attached to a ramp?
If I’m gonna give a product plug, its the Blunt
Steel rails that got me started. My buddy Rene
makes those and he had one that was like ten
feet long and six inches tall. and 1 ate shit on it
for like three days and couldn’t figure it out.
And then I kind of figured out the cross lock.
So I decided to see if I can take it farther.
Yeah, I was gonna save this question for
later: some people think the cross lock is
cheating. How did you find yourself
falling into the cross lock?
I’ve seen current professionals do the cross
lock, so I don’t think I’m the one to decide
what’s cheating and what’s not. But for me at
60, it’s definitely not fucking cheating.
Whatever I can do. I’m gonna do. If I could
grab the rail like Frankie Hill mid-slide I might
try that—anything that will help!
So in your late 50s you mastered the flat
bar. Take us through this fantastic grind
down the mountain that we see in the
photo? How the fuck did this happen?
Around 2007 I made this show Built to Shred
and we built DIY features at this spot.
We called it Shred Mountain, but some people
call it Layers because it has this criss-crossing
road. I thought. That would be insane if we
made something where you could grind from one
road to the next. And then when I was
searching for a place to do a long grind I
ended up there again. There were irrigation
pipes there that hadn’t been used in 30 years.
So with my friends Laban, Jesse and Lambert
we connected the sections of the pipe to a
longer section that was 100 feet long and sent
it down the mountain. Now all I had to do was
grind it. It took me five days and somewhere
around 850 tries to land it! Halfway through
I made it all the way to the bottom and just
slammed. Then it took me at least another
400 tries. I guess my balance isn’t that good.
I just had to play the numbers game and try it
enough times until I accidentally made it.
And you said, this has been the greatest
challenge of your life?
Probably. I’ve never tried something that
many times ever in my life on a skateboard.
I’m usually just skating for fun.
I’ll definitely get into battles. If I
get a trick in mind, I won’t slop
until I make it. But this was my
greatest battle.
What did it feel like when
you went off the end?
I guess surreal. I don’t know if other
people who have battled stuff can attest to the
same thing. It’s just like a surreal feeling.
You’re questioning reality, almost like, Did I
really just do it? Am I here? Гт at the bottom.
Did that really just happen?
Well, congrats! What has kept you
engaged with skating these 50 years?
I mean, I had a lot of fun skating bowls and
mini-ramp stuff. And I’ve always had wooden
bowls—the Blockhead ramp and the current
bowl that’s been at my house for 19 years.
But yeah, 1 just got to where I felt like 1 was
declining. I was losing tricks faster than I was
gaining them. And I almost wasn’t having fun
doing the same thing over and over again.
So exactly six years ago, I decided I was going
to do a challenge where I skated a new spot
every week and did a new move, or relearned
something every week. I just wanted to get
out in the streets and make everything fresh
again, like, where there’s no standards, you
know? If you’re skating the same spot every
week, you’re like, / used to be able to do this
trick. And now 1 cant. It just made it new.
It made me feel like I was just starting
skateboarding again. I felt like it really
renewed my stoke on skateboarding. And. you
know, my trick standards are really low, but it
doesn’t matter. It’s more satisfying to do that
and beat myself up trying something new
than doing the same shit over and over.
Right. So what are the next ten years
looking like on the board?
I don’t know. It’s funny. Back in the day there
weren't any older skaters. A lot of people just
gave it up. 1 remember the first contest that
had a Masters division, the cutoff age was 28.
As we're growing up. we think that there’s a
ceiling. But older skaters just keep breaking
the ceiling. You see Cab and Lance still
ripping. Nobody really knows where it ends.
And the next generation, they’ll still be doing
flip tricks at 60. Ron Allen just put out some
sick stuff. He’s still flipping the board. I think
1 learned kickflips at age 30 and lost them
by 40.
What will be a sign that it*s time to stop?
I don't see one. Just injuries. I’ve been lucky
enough so far to never really have to be off
my board for more than a month since I
started skateboarding. So I feel fortunate and
healthy. Maybe the vegan lifestyle helps,
or maybe it’s good genes. Who knows? I don’t
do a lot of yoga or special exercises. I just ride
my skateboard.
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winding trail heading deep into the jungle. If you follow it far enough (but
not to° ^ar) you’ll stumble upon an ancient vert wall nestled between two
waterfalls. Should you stray from the path, quiet your mind and listen closely for
the sounds of Lukas Miller in his natural habitat—peacefully skating lava-formed
transitions in solitude. Many Epic Spots are sacred ground, but the Kapu Wall feels
completely magical. The surrounding lush mountain ranges radiate energy, giving you
a deeper understanding of the Hawaiian concept of living Pono: finding righteousness
and balance with nature.
Or—maybe it’s not magic that you’re feeling. Perhaps it’s something more sinister.
The word “kapu” translates to ‘keep out." Now, skaters are no strangers to trespassing,
but we might be meddling with forces far more evil than security guards here. While
construction of the highway was being completed on the island, workers found the
remains of 800 skulls. Were these lives lost in primeval battle, or were they perhaps
unlucky souls struck down by the Skate Gods for refusing to stand up on a frontside
grind? If you make it to the Kapu Wall, don’t press your luck—stop your slashing and
get on top of your grinds for all those who can’t. Trust me; it’s way more Pono. ф
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here was a long period of
time where I wanted to have
a kid. My wife and I tried for over ten years; it never happened.
During that time, I saw the people around me having their first kids and it
felt shitty, like I was somehow inadequate. Then after COVID I realized,
I should just embrace a life without kids. I always said I wanted to live like a
12-year-old while taking care of my adult responsibilities—work when I
have to, but skate my ass off like I did in the summer of ‘96. We’re all
skating to hold on to some part of our childhood. If you’re not, then you’re
probably doing it professionally and you’ve forgotten the real reason why
you’re doing it. I got these photos to spark that feeling of first seeing a
new slide when you’re young. But even though these spots look fun,
you gotta know how to skate them. So listen up before you go mobbin’
five deep to a crowded playground this summer. —Lurker Lou

BEAT THE HEAT
Playgrounds look cool. They’re photogenic.
But you can’t skate them whenever you want.
It’s best to go early on winter mornings.
That’s also when they turn the water off in the
fountains—this ox in the Bronx is located in
such a splash pad. I call it “Jenny From The
Block” ’cause supposedly J-Lo used to live up
the street from it. This frontside nosegrind
took a while to figure out. The ground is so soft.
I call it “creepin’ cork.” Gapping onto the spine
was tough. Not only did I not have to deal with
a crowd at this spot, but the parks department
workers were there as well. Fortunately, they
were hyped on my ox to grind.
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Finding something you can actually skate
requires time and research. Sometimes
I drive two hours round trip to skate
something for 15 minutes. You can start
with Google Maps on your phone and type
in “playground.” That’s how I found the
elephant in Queens. The first time I did the
drop in, I hit the tusk on the way down so
many times that I cracked it, so I said,
I guess I’m just gonna have to be a poacher.
Later, on a weekday night, I went back
with the angle grinder and gnawed off a
piece of the cement tusk to get a better
ride away. You ever spot hunt so hard that
you poach an elephant’s tusk? That’s how
I got my favorite photo in this article.
PLAYGROUND WISDOM •



KEEP GATESAND BUILD BRIDGES
The bridge is the most-known spot in this article. It’s next to a skatepark.
I de-knobbed it on Thanksgiving 2019 with two people. We took 31 knobs off
and I turned them into a sculpture. A year or so later we were sessioning it
when another skater stopped on his way to the park, came back and started
taking photos. He walked around snapping shots of everything and then
waited for me to start skating. So I said, ’’You just came in here and took
fucking pictures of the spot now you’re gonna watch me skate? No, leave me
alone. Get out of here and delete those photos off your phone? He could’ve
been @joesskatespots for all I know. Once one person tells another person,
then it's all over. People don’t know how to skate these places respectfully.
Maybe if he would’ve skated it with us I would’ve been alright with him.
After that I smashed my face and grinded my knee down to the white meat
on perforated steel. The back lip took the longest of any trick here and
now everyone knows where this spot is—I gave this one up to the people.
“PEOPLE DON’T KNOW HOW TO
SKATE THESE PLACES RESPECTFULLY
KNOW YOUR HISTORY
A curvy flatbar at a playground, that’s called a Puleo rail. The original one
he skated in Static // was taken out and moved to Tompkins after they
remodeled the park. I’ve always been on the hunt for one. When I tried to
skate this one, somehow 1 sacked it But that got my adrenaline going enough
to get the 50-50. My dream was the lipslide, though, so we took another trip
back. 1 ran from the edge of the park and threw down on the rubber ground
and it miraculously worked second try. But seriously, tell me how I nutted a
ten-inch flat bar? I don’t know, but skating it was my way to pay homage.
Other than that I'm not that under the influence of too many East Coast
skaters. 1 don’t give a flying fuck about a cellar door. I think they’re loud,
obnoxious and, honestly, more disrespectful to skate than any playground.
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EMBRACE SOFT LANDINGS
Sometimes, you will attract a crowd. At this new
park by Rockaway, the nannies and parents would
stop by on the outside of the park to show the kids
skateboarding. They were actually psyched on it.
Some of these spots, you gotta creep at. For the
nollie flip in, I was goin’ slow—trying to avoid the
buoys and riding into the flat was hard enough,
but the tiles at the bottom were mega soft and I’d
just get tossed. The slams can be forgiving on the
rubber, but they’ll also burn you. I didn’t nollie into
the bank first—just went straight for nollie flip, and
when it finally worked, the nannies and their kids
were cheering. Glad it was them watching and not
hipster parents. They’re the ones who throw a fit.
APPRECIATE THE ART
The guy who designed this sculpture is named
Tom Otterness, so I call it “Tom Spotterness.”
He also designed the fist that Dill nollied in
Photosynthesis and was one of the partners in the
famous Max Fish skate bar. I love his work and you
can see it all around New York. I looked for years
to find one of his pieces that was skateable. I got
lucky with this one outside of a playground. It’s
clearly for kids to play on—you can see the patina
where they slide down the feet, so I’d like to think
he’d be cool with someone nosesliding into
these toes. But if not, Tom Otterness can suck it.
I’m still gonna look for more of his work to skate.



PLAYGROUND WISDOM
BREAK GROUND ON OLD GROUND
The problem with skating playgrounds is the rubber ground.
But that old New York shit? They just let the kids play on
asphalt back in the day. The new rubber had been torn up
around this place, so you could skate the asphalt. The
problem was the screws for the soft tiles were sticking out.
You gotta dodge them to get to the slide. Still, I wanted to
get something on an old playground with a Jim Miller-
Melberg element. He’s the iconic playground sculptor that
designed that turtle. Plus, doing a classic backside flip
brings out the old New York feel. Two Russian security
guards wanted to kick us out until they saw Cole’s camera
and then they were just excited to talk about Nikons.
Sometimes it helps to also have some new shit around.
THE PROBLEM WITH SKATING
PLAYGROUNDS IS THE BUBBEB GBOUND
ENJOY THE RIDE
Europeans used to be inspired by New York, and whether you like
it or not, Europe holds a huge influence on skateboarding now.
So I’m drawing inspiration from Sour and my home state of
Massachusetts—I love Fancy Lad. I saw this new playground pop
up and knew people would do basic tricks into it. But when I was
trying to nollie heel in, I landed one in bluntslide and it clicked.
I need to use the slide as an actual slide. I don’t have the balls to go
full goofball, because I still like my classic East Coast skating, so I
threw a nollie into the noseblunt down the middle. In this
day and age, if anyone’s gonna call it out like, Oh no, it’s booger.
It’s in the middle. I’ll just say, “No shit, dude. Nice observation.”
It’s definitely on some Richie Jackson shit, but he’s got the most
views for any Thrasher video part out there, so you can bite that.
KNOW YOUR PLACE
New York is always changing so it’s important to document
these playgrounds—the old ones, the middle-aged ones, the new
ones. People’s grandparents played on that fucking bull. But you
gotta know when to go—in the winter, early, when there’s no kids.
Parents don’t want some fucking 40-year-old weird-beard
creep skateboarding around their fucking children. There’s an age
limit on playgrounds. You can’t be above 12 years old, and you
gotta have a guardian. On the off chance there are kids at the
playground that get interested in what you’re doing, that’s
where the SK8Mafia Micro comes in handy. Let ’em play with that
while you get your clip. Just be cool if someone asks you to
leave—even if they’re hipster parents. There’s always somewhere
else you can play. 4
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ж distributor which our friend Uru runs. I think all street skaters love a
challenge, though, so we were up for it. I'd previously traveled to Japan
and got to experience all of the obscure spots, along with the absolute
culture shock of it all, and I really wanted to share that with some of the
GX riders who had never been. I was also really excited that Jake Johnson
was joining us on this mission. We hadn't been on a trip together in a long
time and I missed traveling with him. He was fresh off an injury, and I told
him there were no expectations—we just wanted him to come along for
the ride. Jake also has a deep appreciation
for the skate spots and welcoming culture of
Japan, and the trip was so much better with
him there. He's the best travel companion
you could ask for—an all-around mentor
who keeps the vibes high; he's the ultimate
skate-trip hack. Uru helped us organize
the trip, roping in his friend Kohei to shoot
photos. He turned out the be the nicest person
ever, genuinely excited to jump in on the
mission. We knew filming in Tokyo would
for sure be challenging, but we had to give
it a shot anyway. We also wanted to extend
our travels beyond the capital and hit some
lesser-known locales. Our only other request
was to meet up with T4 because everybody
loves skating and hanging out with him.
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right before the boot
Day one kicked off in Tokyo and, as expected, most spots were almost
immediately a bust. We still pushed around a bunch and Jeff managed
to grind a rail into a hill just before the police showed up. The following
day we hopped on a plane and headed to Hakodate. We'd heard it
was a hilly city, so of course we had to check it out. We met up with an
incredible skater there named Jiro, and the local shop blessed us with
some "essentials." Our trip within the trip kicked off with everybody
bombing a hill with an actual samurai temple at the top. Hakodate is
a port city, so the sushi was incredible. It's also extremely picturesque,
so there were tons of tourists roaming around. Our hotel had a natural
hot spring within—we eventually realized you're supposed to be totally
nude to soak in it. On one of our last days in the area, Uru brought us to
a small town called Mori. It had a super cool marble street plaza with
some flatbars and it was located next to a riverbed with salmon traps.
After skating the plaza, Uru showed us a dragon-tail-type structure on
a footbridge in the woods. It looked aluminum, so we were all debating
whether or not it would actually grind. Eventually, T4 started giving it
some serious attempts, showing us it was definitely possible. As the
sun set, he 50-50d the whole thing and the entire scene was the most
ninja-like moment I'd ever witnessed. We got some more skating in
before getting hassled for bombing a marble-tiled hill on the last day,
then barely made our flight to Nagoya. Gotta say: Uru is a saint and is
probably the calmest person ever. Thanks for dealing with all of us.
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At the airport on our way to Nagoya we saw posters instructing people NOT to shoot
upskirt photos of women. Later, we noticed that all of the 7-Elevens and FamilyMarts
(basically the holy grails for snacks and booze in Japan) sold porn magazines
consisting of upskirt photos. The posters had seemed strange to all of us until we
realized how widespread the problem is. Every place
has its issues, I suppose. Nagoya started off nicely; we
checked out a shotgun rail near the beach just outside
of the airport. The approach was awkward, but Eddie
warmed up to it, eventually boardsliding it and then
immediately taking a sunset dip in the ocean. As bountiful
as the spots were in Nagoya, the welcoming people were
even more abundant, like our new friend Shoma Takeda.
We found a few hilly zones and I rediscovered one of my
favorite places on the planet, a store called Don Quijote,
which is sort of like a Japanese Walmart but way cooler.
You can find anything there, including Pokemon hats with
all of the characters. The headwear became a running
joke throughout the remainder of the trip, with Matt
transforming into "Tweakachu" while sporting his Pikachu
beanie. You couldn't make these things up if you tried.
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out and he wasn't even skating!
After Nagoya, we took a day trip to Yokosuka and met up
with some old and new friends alike. My pal Soya joined
us; he practices traditional Eastern medicine and became
a healer to all of us who were banged up from the trip. He
also came equipped with some more "essentials" for extra
mind healing. Shintaro Hongo was also kind enough to
show us around his home city. There were plenty of hills
in the area, along with a bunch of other spots that the
guys battled, including another T4 epic trick session on a
children s-playground obstacle that looked dangerous for
any type of activity. We headed back to Tokyo on the last
day to check out a spot Eddie had researched. It was really
late by the time we got there, but we had to investigate
because he'd been talking about it for days. The streets
were super silent and the spot's run up was inside a
building with an automatic sliding glass door. The doors
were locked and we were about to throw in the towel when
T4 slid a piece of cardboard between the glass to trigger
the door's sensor from inside the building. The spot was
a really big snap into a bank, but there was a pole in the
landing that could potentially destroy you if you ran into
it. lake volunteered to sacrifice his body, standing directly
in front of the post. He told Eddie, "You aren't going to run
into the pole. If anything, you'll run into me." Eddie ended
up sticking one and his board shot out directly into Jake's
ankle, re-injuring him. Jake took it in stride knowing he
did what needed to be done to help a friend get an epic
trick. By that point it was well past 3 AM and the trip
was officially a wrap. Thank you to everyone we met or
reunited with along the way, especially Uru at Kukunochi
for making this whole thing possible. We love you, Japan! 4
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dad’s just a mad scientist so it’s a pretty cool
family mix right there. Shout out my little
sister Josie, too.
Love that. We gotta get a family meal
over there.
I know, it’s a pretty heavy rev, dude. My dad
would be stoked to fuckin’ have you.
I’ll bring the kangaroo.
Yeah, do it; we’ll chop it up.
There’s a photo floating around of you
with some very, let’s say, blown-out
eyeballs. How the hell did you get them
like that?
So I went to Vegas for my buddy’s birthday
and it was right before I moved back to New
York. Right before I met Mike, too. What
happened was I guess I had some viral
infection in my eye—I think I got pink eye or
some shit. But then I’m in Vegas and I was
sitting there thinking, I’m like, Alright, well, if
Гт in Vegas that's the one okay place to have
pink eye cause you can wear sunglasses 24/7
without being a douchebag. But you still look
like a douchebag with sunglasses on at night.
So I stood there and then what happened was
I ate this gnarly burrito and I had to puke. So I
went to the bathroom and vomited and I blew
out my fucking eyeballs. The next morning
I woke up and had two black eyes and then
all the blood vessels popped so I had these
fuckin’—it looked like I got halfway through
an exorcism and then just stopped.
Yeah, damn. I thought it was like a bong
hit gone bad or some shit.
I wish, dude.
GUS GORDON
I BLEW OUT MY F#CKING EYEBALLS
INTERVIEW BY GRANT TAYLOR
Where are you? Are you on the way to
Ventura? In Mack’s truck or what?
Yep, I’m on the road, man.
Fuckin’ puttin’ some miles on that bitch.
Dude, I know. I think I put about 10,000 miles
on it since I’ve been here. I swear to God.
So what do we got going on, bro?
Well, sounds to me like you got some sort
of interview in the mag so we need to get
some intel from you, the guy.
Alright. When does it start? How does this
work?
It starts now. Where you from, Gus?
I’m from Boone, North Carolina, out there in
the mountains over near Tennessee.
Speaking of Carolina, let’s talk about
your old man and what goes on with this
restaurant and all that.
Yeah, so my parents started a wild-game
restaurant out there when I was about three.
It’s like—it’s fine-dining comfort food, but it’s
wild game so it’s ostrich, elk, bison, emu, a
bunch of crazy shit out there in the woods and
it’s a super old building that’s been there for
like 100 years. It’s rad. I just grew up eating
crazy-ass shit my whole life. And yeah, my
mom’s like an old goth/punk rocker and my
Would have been a lot better than an
anti-burrito vomit.
Heavy Vegas blowout.
You had a blowout of your fuckin’ eye
sockets. The burrito came out the wrong
end.
Yeah, it felt like I got punched in the back of
my eyes.
Let’s talk skating. I was kinda thinkin’
all that kangaroo and ostrich neck maybe
bred some weird tricks. Let’s talk about
how the hell you learned these invert
fakies.
Shit, I don’t know. I think in time you have
to work with the way your body is and shit.
I’ve been shaped like a fuckin’ gargoyle for
my whole life, so I might as well fuckin’ try
and figure out a more strategic approach to
shit and I guess standing on that hand is the
easiest one.
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Standing on the hand and the big
backside air, too. I like that ’cause you
hold on all the way past the coping.
You never let go.
Yeah, that’s just like some old snowboarder-
habit shit. I remember we were in the UK and
you did an air and you kinda flailed it and
you screamed, like I don’t think you liked it.
And then I looked at Raney and I was like,
Damn, dude, even when Grant does a sick air
he's bummed. And then you came back on the
deck and you’re like, Damn, I did a Gus air!
and I was like, Ah, fuck.
Yeah, you got a certain style to it. It’s
more just fuckin’ go up big and hold on
for dear life.
I’m just so happy I haven’t hung up too much.
Knock on wood.
Yep. I feel like if you did that you would
just rip the entire back truck off. That’s
how in it you are.
Hey, I don’t wanna fall, that’s for fuckin’ sure.
Something about them North Carolina
boys and them fuckin’ thighs—you got
some Justin Brock thighs. If he’s going
down he just sits down as hard as he can
and that’s how he gets out of tricks.
Yeah, like that squashy Southern style.
Yup.
I swear nothing’s more North Carolina than a
frontside nosepick.
Frontside nosepick with a fuckin’
cigarette in your mouth as well. Winston-
Salem bowl.
Yeah, some fuckin’ Tahoe cigarettes.
I tried smoking cigarettes once; I bought
a pack and I was like, Ah sick, went
to my porch to have a smoke and I’m
trying to light the fuckin’ thing and it’s
nighttime and I can’t fuckin’ light it. I’m
like, What the fuck and I doing? And I’m
trying to smoke the thing backwards. So
I was like, Yep, well, I tried.
That’s a good sign.
It’s a good sign to never pick ’em up.
Yeah, just put it in spliffs.
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That’s exactly what I did. I probably
went right back upstairs and rolled a
spliff and came back down.
I like your approach there. You’re like, Yep, Гт
just gonna do this now. You bought the whole
pack.
Yeah, I was trying to ease up on the weed
intake and I was like, Maybe I’ll start
smoking cigs; that looks like a good call.
I’m lighting the fuckin’ filter.
Probably for the best.
Let’s talk about your first trip with the
crew. I think we were in Scotland and we
got a quick brew and popped out of the
bar and Gus went just strolling right in
the road and there he was on the hood of
a car.
Yeah, it just so happens that they drive on the
other side of the road out there. I don’t know.
Were you on your board, too?
Yeah, I pushed away.
Yeah, so you hit and ran. You hit them.
Well, it was fucked up because they didn’t do
a hit and run—they did like a hit and berate
where they just got out and started fuckin’
cussing at me. And I hit my head and I was
like, What the fuck? And then that day I had
two really nasty hippers so my leg was already
fucked.
Dude, Gus went from the top to the
bottom on this rail, twice. It was very
unnecessary, for sure. That night you
were looking hella yellow and gray, like
losing your color and I’m like, Ah, well,
we’ll just take him back to the zone and
all the guys saw you and were like, No,
he can’t go to sleep; he’s gotta go with us;
we’re going to the strip club.
It was just fucked up. I just hit it over to the
strip club with my leg—just this nasty-ass
hematoma. And my head’s all razzled and
these strippers keep coming up to me and I’m
like, Fuck I don’t want it. I’m still drinking half
the beer. It’s too much right now. Too hectic.
You don’t want a lap dance, you just
want a neck massage.
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Oh, if I got a lap dance it would have broken
my fuckin’ leg.
Scottish girls be dropping it.
Yeah, they’re like, You’re American;you have a
credit card. And I’m like, I don’t have anything!
I barely even got 200 bucks to my name!
Hey, was it you who sold the wrong
couch? I wanna hear that story.
Yeah, I accidentally sold my friend’s couch to
Max Palmer. What happened was I was living
at my buddy Greg’s house and was about to
move out. I need some money before I leave
this place so I just sold the couch. I didn’t
think he fuckin’ wanted it anymore ’cause it’s
just like sitting there! So I sold it to Max for
like 30 bucks and then I get a text a month
later just like, I can’t believe you sold my fuckin’
couch! Unbelievable. He’s like, This is some
Larry David-ass shit, dude. And then I was like,
Fuck, I’m sorry, so he’s like, Hey, it’s cool, just
send me a hat and some shirts. So I shipped him
the hats and shirts and it ended up being the
exact amount of money to ship it as I sold
Max the fuckin’ couch for. And then once he
got it I accidentally shipped him an Antihero
sample hat from the van and they needed a
photo of it. So it just kept going and going.
The whole thing just got fucked.
The chain of events really add up. What
are you doing for work these days, Gus?
I mean, fuckin’ A, nothin’ that crazy. Basically
just working on sets doing high-stress arts
and crafts for rich pompous assholes that
have a bunch of money for a project.
Yeah, when I was moving I was like,
Damn, I bet Gus would be really good at
this. And they get paid so well. I was
like, Dude, this amount of money Гт
paying you I would pay Gus to fuckin’
move my house.
In New York I worked for this company called
Lou Moves You and it was all skater dudes
and you’re in a fuckin’ van with a bunch of
skate homies. We have some beer and smoke
joints or whatever. But instead of going to the
spot you gotta go up like six flights of stairs
and move a couch down.
Good warmup for the day—move a
couple couches and go jump.
It is.
Well, you’re living in LA now. What’s
your plan? What’s your ten-minute plan,
I mean your 18-minute plan?
My 18-minute plan now is to go fuckin’ rev it
for Thomas in the ATL.
That’s right, Tom Jam’s coming up.
Gonna be a good one. And then I’m probably
just gonna head back up to the East Coast
from there. Go back to New York for a little
bit once the weather’s warm.
Yeah, I kinda pictured you missing that
return flight and just kinda sticking
around ATL for a bit.
That’s exactly what will happen. I told John
Alden, I was like, I think I’m gonna go to North
Carolina probably and see my mom after ATL
and he’s like, Dude, don’t make this complicated.
It’s an easy one. Just get ’em a one way,
John! Who are your sponsors, Gus?
Antihero skateboards, Nike SB, Gamekeeper
restaurant, Recess skate shop, Bronze
hardware. I guess Huf clothing, too, put that in
there. And Spitfire wheels.
Shitfire and Мака fuckin’ Lassi.
Yep, don’t forget Мака Lassi.
GG. Mothafuckin’ Gus Gordon. GG
Jimmy Fallon.
GG Jimmy fuckin’ Fallon.
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C J. COLLINS
I TALK CRAZY IN MY SLEEP
INTERVIEW BY TIM AGUILAR
you getting this info? If I was counting I would
probably say ten times.
How did it feel getting on a company like
Toy Machine at such a young age?
I was tripping. I thought it was so sick. I grew
up watching Welcome To Hell so it was crazy
being a part of something with Ed Templeton.
How many years have you been riding
for Toy Machine?
Seven years, I think, and I am still mind blown
to be on. It is one of my favorite brands ever
so I trip on it all the time.
How old were you on your first Toy
Machine trip?
I think I was 13. We went to Woodward with
Jeremy and the dude that does kickflip roast
beefs. I forgot his name! He does the ping-
pong-ball videos.
Billy Marks?!
Yeah! Billy, bro! Fucking ping-pong Billy.
I can’t believe I forgot his name.
On your first Toy Machine tour, where
were you sitting in the van?
I was up front with Leo. I didn’t want to go in
the back. The back is the scariest thing ever.
What do you have going on today, C J?
I just finished my taxes and I’m gonna go
skate.
How old are you and where did you grow
up?
I am 20 years old and I grew up in Anaheim
and Orange County. I was born in one of
those hospitals down there.
How does it feel being 20 years old?
It’s stee. I feel like I’m still 15.
What’s up with your cellphone
voicemail? You sound like a baby.
I forgot what I did. It’s either me when I was
a kid or my little sister. I’ve had it ever since I
was ten.
How is skating different for you now
from when you were a little kid?
My bones are more delicate. I definitely want
to take care of my body more.
How long did you live at Leo Romero’s
house?
Two years.
How was that?
It was so sick—house full of my bros, super
stee, but it got really packed and we had
gnarly-ass Cody Long there.
Why is Cody gnarly?
He is the most insane behemoth of all time.
He’s gonna hate that I said that.
How was it being that close to Leo?
It was the sickest thing ever. I grew up
watching his parts so he was basically my
hero. He is my favorite skater and being able
to know him and be his best bro was so sick.
He is my older brother/father so it was the
sickest thing ever.
Who are your other brothers?
Pretty much the whole Toy crew—Dakota,
Jeremy, Braden. Dude, I have a lot of brothers.
How much do you love your brothers?
I love them with all my heart, more than I love
anything in this world.
Where do you live now that you aren’t at
Leo’s house?
I live with my lady in Fontana.
How is it living with your girlfriend?
It’s pretty fucking stee. I love it.
Is it better than living at Leo’s?
Wow! Way to put the pressure on me. My
girl is right here and Leo is going to read this.
I can’t have favorites right now. I would say its
even; it’s 50/50.1 loved it 50 percent at Leo’s
and I love it 50 percent with my girl.
How many times have you clogged the
toilets at her house?
What?! How do you know this? Where are
Where do you sit in the van now?
Y’all ranked me so low and now I am in the
backseat.
How did you end up back there?
I got hurt and I wasn’t on tour forever and so
many people ranked up higher than me.
So you got demoted?
Yeah, I am pretty much like flow now and I
fucking hate it. But this next tour I am not
sitting back there—I’m going up to the front
seat and kicking Dakota out. Just kidding!
It was Jaws’ realm before you, so that’s
cool.
That is even gnarlier. We can’t even talk about
the things he did back there.
Tell me about your injury. What
happened?
I was skating with the Volcom team in
LA and there was a freak accident. I was
running out of a trick way too fast and blew
out my knee—tore my ACL, MCL, PCL and
dislocated the patella.
How long were you out because of that?
Two years. I just started skating last year right
before we left on tour.
So the photos you have in this interview
were shot while you were coming back
from the injury?
Yeah, fresh meat.
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What is your beef with Braden? Why do
you guys have a sibling rivalry?
F that guy. I am kidding! It’s just like brother
shit; we mess around a lot. It’s what we all do
in the van.
Is there a lot of messing around going
down on tour?
Yeah, just like me and you, bro—we have that
brotherly beef. We hate each other so much
that we love each other.
Why are you always the last person to
get in the van every morning on tour?
Because I get shitty sleep. I don’t know how
to sleep so I wake up in the morning feeling
like shit.
Dan Stalling is your alarm clock now
but you still manage to hit snooze.
How much sleep do you need?
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I feel like eight hours works but even if I sleep
that long I still wake up a bunch in the night.
I just wake up with the driest mouth ever and
have crazy dreams. I talk crazy in my sleep.
Who has told you that?
Everyone on tour! They tell me I was cursing
in my sleep and yelling.
Are you excited for the next tour?
I am very excited. I can’t wait.
How do you prepare for two months on
the road?
I don’t really prepare, I just wait until the last
day before the trip and I pack. It’s just like any
other trip, just a little longer.
Why did you bring your girlfriend on
tour?
I flew her out for three days because I was
gone for like a month so I wanted to hang out
with her. I got a banger of a clip so I felt like I
deserved some time with her.
How much shit did you get for that
decision?
I got a lot of shit but I think everyone was
messing with me just to make me feel crazy.
Are you the only one who has spent time
with their girlfriend mid trip?
Everyone has done that during a trip. I have
seen it so many times.
Will you do it again?
Hell yeah, if I am gone for three months I’ll do
it. Three days aren’t gonna hurt as long as I
am killing it. If I am blowing it I am not going
to do it.
Do you remember asking Don Luong to
take you to a toy store in China?
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that far back. I feel like maybe we did go but
I only remember going into a shop and we
found a bunch of X-rated Chinese magazines.
Don has a photo of me looking at them, but
maybe that wasn’t the toy store.
When we have shopping days on tour
why do you go off and buy expensive
stuff from every store?
I don’t know. There is just a thing with me and
if I see something sick I will buy it even if I
won’t use it. And after having it for a while on
tour if I can’t fit it in my bag I’ll just hate it.
So you just don’t care and you will bail
on it?
Yeah, I just get over it. I don’t always buy
expensive shit so it’s easy to say fuck it, but if
it’s expensive I have to take it.
Since we are talking about your buying
habits, how is your luck with buying
cars?
I had two vehicles that fully broke down.
I am finally in a new car, but the new car is
still giving me issues. The camper is falling
apart and I need new brakes; the transmission
is feeling like shit. I just have shitty luck.
What happened to the old van you were
driving?
The motor completely broke; pretty much
blew up. I think my dad took it to the junkyard
and they smashed it.
What are you driving now?
A Toyota Tacoma and I am very hyped
on it. I go camping and pop up the tent.
I have a fridge back there and it’s manual.
It’s everything I wanted.
Do you still have a motorcycle?
Yes, but I plan on selling it to Dan Stolling.
Does it run?
Yeah, but it is too small for me. I want to sell
it and buy a new bike.
You outgrew your bike?
Yeah, I am just too big, buff and hot. I bought
it when I was 12 and it was perfect, but now
it’s like a little dirt bike that hurts my back.
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What’s up with your growth spurt?
You got really tall really fast. You’re not
that same little kid anymore.
I don’t know. I am not trying to get too tall.
I don’t want to reach six feet. Right now I am
an even 5’ 11" which is butters.
Are you going to skate more contests?
I am always down but I am more into filming
now. I grew up and got all this anxiety so I’m
not really tripping to make every contest, but
if there is something sick I’ll be there. They
can still be fun.
Are you going to enter street contests
now or strictly bowl contests still?
I’m ATV, bro. How dare you?!
So what’s your answer? Are you ready
to skate against Nyjah and Yuto?
Definitely. I can whip Nyjah in a contest. I am
just kidding. To everyone who reads this, I am
totally just kidding.
How did the kickflip on the bump go
down? Who was there with you?
My boy Nyjah was out there on the session
with me, making the vibes go crazy. You know
I had to kickflip that bitch. I got towed in by
his dirt bike homie. I forgot his name but I’ll
shout you out some other time.
Had you ever skated with Nyjah before
that?
That was my first time on a session with The
Jah and it was so sick. He towed me in while
I was warming up and he rode off after I ollied
the gap doing wheelies going mach ten.
What about the grind pop out in North
Carolina? What is the story behind that
spot?
Mike Sinclair found that spot and he originally
wanted to show it to Dakota. We checked it
out for him to boardslide it but I knew I could
skate it and I thought it would be perfect for a
grind. We got the boot but I kept talking about
it so we went back for me to skate it. I felt so
relieved when I rolled away because I felt like
we were there every day trying to make it
happen.
Did someone call the cops one of the
times we were there?
I stuck it like three times one day and this
crazy lady said she owned the property and
called the cops. The cops told Sinclair if I
tried to skate the rail again they would arrest
him, not me! We went back the next day and
saw a crane in the way and had to ask the
construction workers to move it and luckily
they were down. We went back at night when
the businesses were closed and I did it.
How is your TikTok coming along?
Damn, bro, what is up with this? I have like
FBI agents watching me. Shit, it’s going
whatever. I just made it recently even though
people told me to do it forever ago. I saw
Braden make one, Jaws has one, so I decided
to fall into the loop, but I made it at the worst
time ever because I think they are getting rid
of it.
Between your phone and video games,
how much time do you stare at a screen?
If I am not skating I don’t know because I
watch movies, too. I can be on a screen all day
if it’s not a skate day—just watch movies then
play Call of Duty and do push-ups.
Push-ups and video games?
Yeah, I’ll just do that—play video games
for ten minutes, then do ten push-ups and I
end up with like 100 push-ups by the end of
the day.
You got any advice you’d like to give your
fellow skaters out there?
I have terrible advice because I am only 20
years old. My advice would be go do whatever
you want. I guess just have fun with your life.
Anyone you want to say thank you to?
All my brothers, my lady and all of
skateboarding, 4
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hanca, what are you doing right
now?
I’m in San Diego. I just got back from
a six-day trip to SF. I’m with Danny G
at Slappy’s Garage; he’s helping translate the
questions for this interview.
I’ve heard you call San Diego your
second home. Why is that?
I feel like I have a lot of friends here and they
are like family. I like the skate spots in SD, too.
How do you pronounce your name
properly?
Just like it’s spelled, so it would be like “John-
cuh.” That’s what I like to be called by.
What’s the strangest name someone has
called you?
When I was skating the Olympics, the
announcer called me Juan Felipe Gonzalez.
That’s insane that at a huge event they
could fuck it up that bad. Do you have
any nicknames?
Jesse Silva calls me “Tonto” sort of as a joke.
What’s that mean?
It’s like calling someone a fool.
So you were born in Bogota, Colombia,
right?
• I was actually born in between
Medellin and Bogota in Samana,
Caldas.

How long have you lived in Bogota?
I have lived in the city of Bogota for
most of my life.
How old are you?
I am 27 years old.
Damn, you skate like
you’re 16; you don’t
stop. I’ve seen you
skate some of the
biggest spots one
day and the next
day you’re ready
to go back at it.
Have you always
been like that?
I just try to
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skate as much as I can. Jake Phelps told me
when I met him on a Volcom trip in Bogota,
“Never stop.” You only have one life and I try
to appreciate every moment of it. You never
know what could happen tomorrow.
Do you have any brothers or sisters?
No, I don’t. It’s just me.
How did you get into skateboarding and
at what age?
I started skating when I was about ten years
old. I was sort of a trouble maker—getting
into trouble and stuff like that. One day I
saw some kids skateboarding and I ended
up getting a board from them to skate and
that’s when it all started. I think it just gave
me something to do instead of getting into
trouble.
Once you began to figure it out, did you
start watching skate videos?
Early on I would get home from school and
go to the Internet cafe. I would pay like 500
pesos for 20 minutes to watch videos and then
go to the skatepark.
What were some of the first videos you
watched when you were younger that got
you stoked?
Element skateboards’ This is my Element—
Tony Tave’s part. I watched it all the time
before going skating. And I liked all the
Р-Stone videos, the Bru-Ray videos are my
favorite.
In your Thrasher Am Scramble interview
a few years back you said you hoped to
buy your mom a house one day. I heard
last year, before you turned pro, that you
bought your mom a house in Bogota. Is
that correct?
Yes, I bought her a house. After one full year
of skating contests, the money that I made
helped pay for the house for her.
That’s amazing. How happy was she?
She was so happy. We used to live in a
problematic household. Now we have our own
house and we can have a dog.
And you just got a dog. What’s his name?
Collin.
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Did you name it after The Provider or
what?
No, I just named it Collin, but not after Collin
Provost.
How did you get on Creature?
My friend Felipe was giving me a few Creature
boards from his shop in Colombia, then I went
to Tampa Am one year with $160 dollars. I
broke my Creature deck practicing and went
into the shop and bought a new Creature
deck. Noah, the TM for Creature, came up
to me at the contest and talked to me about
getting me some boards. That was kind of the
start. He sent me 15 boards and some Indys.
And you turned pro last October, right?
Yeah, a dream come true to have my name on
a skateboard—it’s been a dream since I was
a little kid. My mom was there when I got the
board in Bogota while the Creature team was
there. I’m really happy to ride for Creature.
They are like family to me.
What’s an average day for you in Bogota?
Since I have been traveling so much lately,
usually when I’m at home I sleep all day and
then skate at night.
Do you do anything else besides
skateboarding?
I like to ride motorcycles. They are fun to go
fast on, do wheelies and great for traveling
around Bogota. It’s the easiest way to get
around.
How difficult is it to come up as a
skateboarder in Colombia and to get
noticed in America?
Really difficult. It is hard to get good
skateboard products down there. Being a
third-world country, product is so expensive
and we do not have a lot of money. It is also
difficult for a lot of skaters to travel to the US
to get exposure.
What’s your favorite meal when you’re
at home?
I like all foods, but usually rice and beans. If a
meal doesn’t have rice, it’s not good food.
What about when you come to
California, what foods do you like?
I like all kinds of food—maybe Panda Express
and cookies.
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You always clean your shoes right when
we get back to the crib after skating.
Why?
I was brought up by my mom to keep things
clean. If I don’t have clean shoes, I cannot
skate. I think the photos and videos look
better when my shoes are clean. Plus, I like
brand-new shoes, so if I clean them they are
like new again.
I’ve noticed staying at Airbnbs with
you that you always clean up and fold
your clothes. That’s a good trait. You’ve
been on some Creature trips. Who is the
dirtiest skater on the Creature team?
I don’t think I should say.
Yes, you should. They are your
teammates, so who is it?
David Gravette, mostly because of the butt
chug on King of the Road. That’s pretty dirty.
That one for sure takes the cake for
dirtiest. Unfortunately, I was there to
witness that. I don’t think Gravette
will hold any grudges on that one. Do
you travel to other countries in South
America to skate? Do you have a favorite
one?
Brazil, for sure. They have the best spots and
I like the beaches there. Rio de Janeiro and
Sao Paulo are my favorite cities and the food
is great.
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Who are some of your favorite South
American skateboarders?
My favorite skaters from South America are
Milton Martinez, Mathias Torres, Giovanni
Vianna and Brayan Coria.
Who was the first pro that you ever saw
skate in person?
Corey Duffel in Bogota on an Osiris trip. JT
Aultz, Caswell Berry and a few others were
there. Corey was really cool. He gave me
some Foundation stickers which I still have in
my collection.
When we first met, you were with Milton
and we went to the Muirlands 14 rail.
You’d never been there, but you skated
that rail like a skatepark rail. I asked
Milton what tricks you have and he said,
“Jhanca can do every trick.”
Yeah, Milton told me to get some clips for
Instagram and get an NBD so I would get
invited on more sessions with you.
I was blown away by how you just
sessioned the rail for the first time there.
I have been there a lot over the years
and I have never seen anyone skate it
like that. I think you did like 15 tricks
warming up and then we shot a full Cab
front board that was used in the mag.
Milton has always been really nice to me and
has given me good advice since I was young,
telling me to get out to California.
I noticed you skate with sunglasses on
sometimes. What’s up with that?
People ask me all the time why I skate
with sunglasses or speed shades on. I have
conjunctivitis in my eyes. When it’s really
sunny out it increases the tears in my eyes and
makes it harder to see and skate.
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Do you think you would ever live in the
US?
I am trying to move here for a while soon.
I have been working on my visa. I would like
to bring my mom over to the US with me.
Do you represent Colombia in the
Olympics?
I did in the last Olympics. This one I still have
to place higher in the remaining contests.
They only take two skaters from each country,
so we will see if I get in there.
How important is skating contests to
you?
They are not that important to me. I like
skating contests with friends. I try to do my
best in them. It’s a good place to practice
tricks to film in the streets.
What about the importance of putting
out video parts? Which do you like
better?
I like filming for video parts and going on
trips way better. I think video parts are more
memorable than winning contests.
How do you stay so healthy skating so
many contests and filming for video
parts at the same time?
I try to take care of myself pretty well. I like
to sleep and eat well. You have to pick and
choose your battles sometimes and when I am
trying the bigger tricks I try to get them within
a few tries.
You have been filming with Jesse Silva
for most of this video part, right?
Yeah, I just started staying at his house when I
was coming to San Diego. He has lots of spots
and has helped with selecting what spots to
skate. I try to skate all the spots but he helps
with telling me what I need and what I don’t
need for the part.
The past two years it’s been difficult to
track you down for trips. Where have you
been traveling?
I have been traveling all over, so many
contests: Europe, South America, Japan,
Dubai, Mexico City, some trips to San Diego
and LA to work on the Thrasher video part, a
Creature trip to Mexico and I have been going
on a lot of Monster trips, too.
For your video part and this interview
we only got to skate with you about six
different times. You came to San Diego
four times for a week here and there, we
skated with you for six days in Medellin
and then this short trip to SF. The
amount of footage you stacked in that
short amount of time is pretty insane.
I just like to skate and get the work done. I try
to prepare mentally for the spots that I skate
so I don’t get hurt.
We just got back from a six-day trip to
SF. How are the spots up there?
This was my third time to SF, but this time I
was actually on a filming trip. The spots are
so good and gnarly; there are so many hills. I
really like San Francisco. David Gonzalez had
a spot book with stuff he wanted to skate and
there were some many spots from SF in there.
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in East County SD. The hits never end
How was the Wilshire 15 replica contest?
You flew in from Brazil, arrived in the
morning, skated the contest and flew
back to Brazil the next morning. Twenty-
four hours in San
Diego, you won the
contest—and
you hate
square rails.
Yeah, I don’t
like square
rails. I just sort of
had a plan about what
tricks I could do on it.
Didn’t Nyjah put $500 on
a switch crook down the
Wilshire 15 replica?
I think he put the money up for his
homie to do it.
So you didn’t get the money? That $500
would go a long way in Colombia! Who
did you do the switch crook for then?
No, the money wasn’t for me. I did it because
my friends who were there
hyped me up to do it. Plus,
I wanted to switch
crook it because
Brandon Turner
was there. He is
one of everyone’s
favorite skaters in
Colombia.
Any homies that are coming
up in Colombia that should
be on our radar?
My friend Daniel Zapata—his
nickname is Polio. He rips and has a
great attitude.
Where do you see yourself in ten years?
Still jumping down huge stuff or what?
Still skating, for sure! I also want to guide
other skateboarders from Colombia from what
I have learned over the years in skateboarding
to help them out.
What projects are you working on next
for 2024?
I will be working on a Creature part after the
Thrasher part is finished and also a Monster
part with Kevin Baekkel.
You just don’t stop, do you? How do you
want to end this interview?
Don’t stop; let’s go for more! Colombia,
hijueputa!
Thanks, Jhanca. We look forward to
seeing your Thrasher part come out soon.
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3t’s been a solid decade since we’ve talked to Ту Segall, and life has changed
considerably for the Laguna Beach native. Not only is he married (his wife is
fellow musician and collaborator Denee Segall), but he’s also a relatively new
father. As much as things have changed, there’s plenty that has remained the same.
Mainly, Segall is still pushing his own creative boundaries with new music.
In January 2024, he released his 15th studio album: Three Bells on Drag City Records,
the follow-up to 202l’s Hello, HL Produced by Segall and Cooper Crain, the 15-track
effort continues his collaborative relationship with longtime friend Mikal Cronin
and shows off a more refined sound than previous projects. But, perhaps most
importantly, he’s still shredding, proving his guitar prowess just keeps getting better
with age. We recently chatted with Segall who opened up about his creative process,
family life and that time he had to eat more than a dozen eggs for a video.
—Kyle Eustice
Your “My Room” video is so good. Is that
how it feels to put your music out there?
Every time you release something, is it
kind of like, Oh, God, someone's going to
throw a banana at me?
No, I just like the idea of waiting until like
halfway through the video and you just get hit
by bananas. Just a little comedy, I guess.
Your videos do have a lot of comedy,
like “Eggman,” for example. How many
eggs did you actually have to eat?
1 want to say it was like 14, but I was shooting
for 40. That's what I wanted to do and it
quickly became obvious that it was not going
to happen. By egg number four, I was like.
No, not going to happen. But I tried. Amazingly
enough, I didn’t throw up
Гт shocked.
Yeah. I wanted to throw up, but 1 didn’t,
and then strangely enough I was actually
fine a couple hours later. The next day. I had
an egg-salad sandwich with the leftover
eggs. This goes to show how much I like eggs.
1 guess it wasn’t too traumatizing.
It’s important to inject a little humor.
In general, it goes a long way.
Гт a big fan of that. I just like some cheeky
jokes here and there. It’s always fun. I feel like
that’s kind of how we do the press for my
records is kind of have fun with it and try to
be funny.
I think that gives us a little insight
into you as well. Do you still live in
Laguna?
I live in Topanga, just north of LA in the Santa
Monica Mountains in between Santa Monica
and Malibu.
How much does geography affect your
creative process? Do you think you’d be
making the same music if you lived in,
let’s say, Detroit?
I’ve always wondered about that. I feel like
making the actual records is affected by
where you are and the time of year, too. I feel
like there is such a thing as a summer record
and a winter record and a spring and a fall
record. I am very much a Californian, and I
feel like the ocean is part of me and all of
those cliche Califomian-beach things.
There's a little bit of that in me, so I think that
definitely affects what I make. I’ve always
wanted to go to some other places and make
records. I've made most of my records in
California, so I do wonder that, but I’m sure
it's a thing.
That might be a cool experiment.
I definitely want to do that, for sure. And when
you’re at a different studio, it kind of helps
push the music in a direction, at least with the
vibe or the gear, the room, the sound of the
room. All these things definitely influence it.
I do love your vibe now, though. I feel
like it’s hard to find a catalog as solid
as yours.
That’s so nice of you. Thank you. 1 definitely
have some problems with some of my records,
but that’s nice to hear.
1 was really excited to see that you’re
still working with Mikal Cronin. How
does that friendship that you’ve had for
so long help fuel your musical chemistry?
I’ve known Mikal for a very long time. He was
the first person I started playing music with
and that I still play music with. I knew him
before this, but we really started to get to
know each other when I was about 16, so
we've known each other for 20 years now.
He's the longest member of my band by far.
When you work with someone that long, you
have a bit of a hive mind when it comes to
communication, at least artistically. Musically,
we have a really good way of sharing ideas
and stuff. There's just a very old-school,
complementary, deep relationship there.
I don’t think you were married to Denee
when we last spoke. I love that you guys
collaborate. Has that been something
you’ve had to learn to juggle and
navigate? I hear a little baby in the
background, so it sounds like you’ve got
some things going on.
Yes, that’s our daughter.
That must be quite a change.
Oh yeah, it's the best. We have the kind of
relationship where it's like another hive-mind
thing, where you know we each bring lots of
different-but-very-similar things to the table.
When it comes to creativity, she has such a
unique voice and songwriting style.
Collaborating with her in that way is super
amazing because I have a totally different
style of writing than she does. So again,
it’s another super complimentary, different
but very complimentary thing to combine.
We’re just so honest with each other, and
there’s no ego there or anything. We just like
making stuff.
You have more than a dozen solo
albums. Where do you think that
drive comes from to just create» create,
create?
1 get very much in a specific headspace or will
be in the songwriting headspace for a few
months. It’s really based on the project.
How do you get into that songwriting
space?
It’s different every time now. Whether it’s like.
Oh. Гт writing on the guitar, so I’m going to
pick up the guitar with my cup of coffee and
mess around. Or I go down to the drums and
play a drum beat and see what I can come up
with. It’s really all over the place depending
on the project. And I think that’s what’s fun
for me about it. I really enjoy the idea of
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songwriting tool is. —
Where does the title Three Bells
come from?
It’s one of those things I don’t really want to
give away because it will give away more of
the specific idea of the album. 1 like art to be
a little bit abstract and mysterious. I want to
keep that one a little mysterious. There is a
meaning, but people can come to their own
conclusions.
I don’t really know too much about you,
so you’ve done a good job maintaining
some of that mystery. I don’t even know
how many of your bands are still active.
You’re in so many. Can you do a
countdown?
Some are on a hiatus or maybe we aren't
playing at the moment. But, I mean, really
just my band is the only one that’s super
active. I'm pretty much just doing my thing at
the moment.
Tell me a little bit more about
“Hi Dee Dee.” Who’s Dee Dee?
Dee Dee is a nickname for Den6e, and it’s one
of the 40 love songs I've written for her.
You have another song on there called
“Оепёе.”
I’ve never felt like I could say enough about
her to put her name specifically in a song.
So just to say her name, I was like, Well,
everything's in the emotion of how I say her
name. To me, that is everything.
That’s why I came up with the idea of just
singing her name, because words won’t do ***•
her justice.	//
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Have we kind of found one of the
common threads here?
Love is kind of a theme that I was feeling. *• %
Love is always a thing.
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You grew up surfing» right?	**•*•
I still surf. I love surfing. It’s a very big part of
my life for not only my physical well-being but
also my mental well-being, first and foremost.
I got into surfing when I was eight or nine. I
learned how to skateboard when 1 was maybe
like 11.1 can still skate, but 1 don't do it
because if I break my wrist, I’ll blow up my life
on accident. I’m one of the guys that always
eats it really, really badly every time I get on a
skateboard. I’m the skater that should not
drop into a crazy bowl but will, and then I
break my wrist.
Water is probably a lot more forgiving
than cement.
I don’t know how it feels when you’re 40 and
you eat it. That must be rough.
What’s the day-to-day life of Ту listening
to music?
I'm always listening to music. I’m constantly
searching but not as much anymore. I have a
lot less time now. But when I have a little
extra money on tour, you’ll find me at the
record store, 4
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rom the moment the needle hits the first track on their LP Light The Fires,
J Г To The Dogs unleash maelstrom—like blistering wind off Lake Michigan
filled with rusted bits of metal blasting you in the face. This trio from
Milwaukee conjures a spirit of thrashing death to ear holes that, 1 must say, is a damn
good time. Head riffsman of the band Chris McMorrow answers some questions
about their craft and scene from which they hail. —Sam Hitz
If you had to describe To The Dogs to a
random grandma who has no knowledge
of metal genres, how would you depict
the sound?
A buzz saw of razor-sharp riffs, relentless
drums, male-and-female vocals and crushing
songs that would leave that grandma running
for the door.
How long were you active before the
release of Light The Fires? What was the
common desire to form?
We started the band the day the world shut
down for COVID in 2020. We were writing a
song almost every practice and put out a
demo. It took us another year to write and
record Light The Fires in January of 2022.
Ian and I wanted a band consisting of friends,
so we asked Nikki to join on bass and vocals.
Keeping it a three piece makes decisions
easier because you have an odd number.
Is having your band exist on vinyl more
important now compared to ten years
ago when everything was downloaded?
When 1 started playing in bands 20 years ago.
everything went to vinyl, so that was the goal.
But getting music out on streaming platforms
has opened our reach on a larger scale.
People in Japan and Brazil can listen to us
without having to purchase the vinyl and pay
crazy amounts of money to ship the record
to another country, but being able to see
Light the Fires on vinyl was a huge step for
the band and solidified everything to me.
Being able to see all the artwork and read the
lyrics is what a record is all about.
I love the fact that you guys are a three
piece with two vocalists. How do you
divvy up the parts? Are there some
phrases that you’d like to do but Nikki
just might growl it better?
It seems to happen naturally Nikki has
much lower vocals than I do so we decide
what parts need that sound and make
it work from there. She was originally
slated to do all of the vocals, but we
decided to split the duties early on. It
creates an audio assault back and forth
between us and helps add intensity
when we double up vocals together.
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It seems like more bands than ever
are making it a point to tour through
Milwaukee. Would you agree, or do
you think Chicago still gets the cream of
the crop?
Milwaukee has a lot of local bands and
supporters that have kept this scene
running strong for years, and if it
weren’t for people like Jason Ellis I don’t
think we would see half of the bands
play here. Milwaukee doesn’t have as
big of a scene as Chicago, so the shows
are smaller, but most of the time if a
band plays here the show will be better
than across the border. The shows are
smaller and more intense at venues like
Cactus Club, X-Ray Arcade and Club
Garibaldi.
Milwaukee Metal Fest is back with a
vengeance. What does it take for local
bands to get the gig? There are so many
worthy ones like yours, but most seemed
to be overlooked by the event.
It has the same name, but the connection to
the old fest seems lost and the representation
of local bands just isn’t really there. I’d love to
see local bands like
Horrid Mass,
Cryptual,
Ossuary, Force
and Splatter
Pattern on the bill.
You work at Harley
Davidson. What do you do
there exactly? There’s more
Harleys out there than ever.
What’s a telltale sign of a
poser on a hog as opposed to
your true Easy Riders?
Гт senior designer in the
painband-graphics department,
so I'm designing the graphics,
medallions and paint schemes for the new
models. I imagine the signs are the same
across anything, really—skateboarding, bands,
motorcycles. It’s pretty easy to tell who’s in it
for the right reasons.
Have you ever thought of recording any
canine vocals in the mix with you and
Nikki? I know Ian has a pretty big dog.
Have you heard the noises Steve makes?
That would be like having Yoko in the studio.
I think I’ve heard tougher noises out of my
border collie Lakota.
I thought I heard a new song when you
played Cactus Club a few weeks ago.
Do you have enough for a new album?
We have two new songs we have been playing
live lately: ‘‘Remains’’ and “Tryant” We have
around three-toTour other new songs with
lyrics ready to go, but at this point we aren’t
sure if it will be another full length or an EP.
Any last words for the Thrasher readers?
It was a goal for me to be in the pages of
Thrasher. I was hoping it would be for skating,
but 30-plus years later Гт
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to bring our music onto
these historic
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Sam. It means
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Wtth his face tattoos, Misfits patches, studded belt and Instagram skate
clips, you’d have a hard time not noticing Cold Hart. He and his friends
in GothBoiClique have pioneered a new genre of music—fusing rap with
various rock sub-genres and creating something wholly unique. I caught up with him
recently to talk about his current tour, analog-versus-digital sounds and his move from
CA to NYC. —Zak Kovacs
What genre of music is Cold Hart?
The best and most broad explanation is it's
rap music that is rock-influenced with all
different sub-genres—like post-punk,
pop-punk, punk, goth music and then also
mixed with R&B because I love melody. It’s a
hard question, but yeah, that’s pretty much it.
What does GothBoiClique mean to you?
ft means a collective, but it was never meant
to be structured. Me and Wicca made it so
that we could do our thing and have it fall
under the same umbrella, and not do what
everyone else was doing because we wanted
to make darker love songs.
How long have you been making
music with Yawns?
Me and Yawns met online,
but we officially met
around 2014 or
2015. He
came out to
LA; this
was when
I’ve noticed that
most of your songs
are about
relationships.
They're mostly
about love and shit
like that because I
wanted to be real.
I’m from a place where
everyone’s a gang
banger and selling drugs,
but I wanted something
different, and skateboarding
and music saved me. Love
plays a part in that because
I can speak on these things
and it's important to
You have skateboarding in all of your
music videos.
I do have a lot of skating in my videos.
1 always have a board wherever I am. But I
advise people against using skating in their
music videos if it’s not natural. I don’t want to
be a skater rapper.
You post Instagram skate clips pretty
often. Do you battle for those? Yeah,
I battle for them. I’m not that good. I try my
best. But yeah, it's more important than
posting rap clips.
Did moving to New York City
change your music?	s
Making music in California 4
was cool, but it’s where	1
I’m from so going to	j
the opposite coast	1
definitely brought out	J
a lot of inspiration.	.j
It even made me
write about home in ways I never
would have if I’d written those
songs in California. My song
"Wild Wild West” is about my
hometown of LBC.
j I was in Thraxxhouse. We did
I a show in an art gallery and
then we started talking about
how much we love the
I Ramones and punk music.
I Then we were like, Let 's remake
о Ramones song. That was
2016 and that was the start of
it all. It changed the whole
trajectory once we made that one song. It’s
called "I Wanna Be" and it’s based off of the
Ramones song “I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend.”
Is using actual instruments important to
you rather than just drum machines and
computers?
When I first started making music, because of
the lack of having band members, I was just
left with what I had, which was samples.
But once 1 started to learn more and meet
people, real instruments were so important to
me because now we could make these things
that I wanted to do before when I had no idea
how to do so. 1 feel like it’s more emotional
and I can still apply the same techniques of
sampling but with a real guitar or something.
You’re on tour right now—you’re ending
it in SF. How has it been connecting with
fans post-pandemic?
This tour has been magical. I’m honored to be
on the same tour as The Drums because I
used to listen to them as a young skate rat in
Long Beach. The fans are amazing because
some people have come here just for me and
they don't know The Drums. And then a lot of
people have been asking me for drawings and
they’ll go get them tattooed right after the
show or the next day and I’m like, This is more
nerve-racking than playing the show, having to
draw something for you. 1 love the energy
everyone brings and I love seeing them happy.
What positive impact do you think
Lil Peep and GBC have had on the world?
Just showing the world a different path you
can take. Lil Peep inspired a bunch of people
to keep going. There are people who feel like
there's nobody else like them, and 1 feel like
he helped people feel connected.
I feel that. So what’s next for Cold Hart?
I’m dropping an album called Pretty in the
Dark, ft was co-produced by Andrew Dawson.
He did a bunch of old Kanye stuff. Destiny’s
Child. Tha Carter HI. Me and Yawns made it
out in Scottsdale, Arizona. I’m going to be
dropping a bunch of singles from that and
then hopefully a headlining tour and keep
stacking skate clips. That's it; keep vibing. 4

ZOUNDS
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CARDIEL
THE VENEZUELAN DUO DEFY MUSICAL CATEGORIES <
f you name your band CardieL you better bring it—and this Venezuelan
two-piece sure as hell does. Their shows are so intense that even if you’re not
slamming up front you’ll be left exhausted. They’ve been touring the US
non-stop for the past year or so and put out Skaterock Mexico in ’23—a killer 7”
dedicated to Hubbard, Р-Stone and Jake about the Mexican Skate Rock tour of 2017.
If you get the chance to check them out, don’t sleep on it. Sam Ambrosio (drums/
vocals) and Miguel Fraino (guitar/vocals) parked the tour van long enough to answer
some questions via email recently. All hail... —Wez Lundry
So you guys are originally from
Venezuela, but then moved to Mexico
City, correct? It seems like you’ve been
in the USA for the better part of this year.
Yeah, we were both born and raised in
Valencia, Venezuela but then in 2006 we
moved to Mexico City. In 2022, we got the
opportunity to start working with an SF-based
booking agency and that's why we've
been touring the USA a lot lately.
How did the band form?
The band was formed in Mexico City in
2010. We started jamming and writing
music for a good friend from Valencia
who started a skateboard company
and was making a video back then.
I’m pretty sure the video never came
out. So, we ended up having a bunch of
songs that we liked to play and we
decided to look for some gigs in Mexico
City. In the first two years of the band,
before we even started playing in venues
and bars, we were playing only in
skateparks and house shows with the
help of our good friend Nito who was
putting a lot of shit together during those
years. Mexico skateboarding family was
the pillar of this band.
And how did you decide on the
name Cardiel?
Well, John is one of those humans that makes
you wanna go out and make things happen,
you know? He’s a big inspiration and
motivation. Before and after the accident
he is stoked on life, for life. That’s heavy.
Watching his video parts is such a trip—
some Bad Brains in Cash Money Vagrant,
or Black Sabbath in Yellow and then some
Sizzla reggae in Sight Unseen. He’s always
100-percent committed and going as fast as
possible. Keeping that level of destruction
in different genres is a thing that we look
up to—an inspiration to do better and try
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harder, every day. For us, it’s kinda a tribute
of love and respect.
Your band doesn’t fit into genres like
meta], stoner rock, punk. Your shows are
raging but then all of a sudden it’s a dub
breakdown, then back to pummeling the
crowd. So what do you call it?
Man, we don’t know what to call
it either. But we like the fact that
we keep playing in different
music scenes and somehow we
seem to fit in. Chameleon style,
you know? Keep them confused!
We like to play fast and heavy
and then slow and heavier but
also some chill psychedelic dub.
It’s all on the same page.
Tell me a little about
Skate Rock Mexico 2017,
the inspiration for the 7"
that came out last year.
From our perspective, being part of a
Skate Rock tour is one of the most epic
things a band can do. Now, when you add
the fact that this all happened in Mexico and
with a heavyweight crew like that. It was so
crazy and we were lucky to have been on
the road with Phelps, Mark Hubbard and
Р-Stone. Touring with Bad Shit and Arctic
is an energy level that’s actually hard to
beat. Getting to watch skating like that every
day for two weeks, being with people like
Figgy, Grant, Rowan, TNT, Raven, Monk,
Nuge and Provost; hitting the sketchiest spots
ever and the hype and motivation from the
locals is just priceless. To party every night
with this crew plus our closest friends was
kinda surreal for us, so we decided to do a
short fuzzy song about it and put it on wax to
honor those unforgettable nights that we
barely remember.
What kind of stuff do you guys like
to skate?
At this point, whatever you can get to skate is
good. We do appreciate the bank to curb that
is down the street from our house and the
mini ramp we had at the studio. While on tour,
we’d like to skate as much as we want, but
when you are doing 28 shows in 30 days,
'y Being part of a Skate Rock:
yy tour is one of the most
‘•>‘epic things a band can do”-

plus the driving, taking care of the merch,
loading in and out and partying, it’s a tight
energy budget that we try to keep up. In the
end it’s just the two of us on the road.
What is your van life routine in the US?
Keeping the gadgets in good condition is so
important for us—car water heater for coffee
and noodles, blender for smoothies, lots of ice
and a good cooler to keep the food fresh.
We cook our own food as much as we can on
the road. Eat your greens, ginger and sea
moss every day. We like rest areas and state
parks in the US to get some sleep but we
really appreciate when friends let us crash
at their homes. 4
Cardiel (the band)
discusses Cardiel
Who did John Cardiel turn pro for?
Migue/: Antihero? He also rode for Powell, right?
Sam: Was he a pro snowboarder first?
Cardiel (the person)
discusses Cardiel
(the band) H
Incorrect! It was Dogtown. And he never rode for
Powell! What is his DJ name?
Ad: Juan Love. We played a party with him and Dustin Dollin in Mexico.
What year did he win Skater of the Year?
M: I think it was the second one. 1991?
Incorrect, but close! It was 1992. Who did he name as
his top skateboarding influence?
M: Mark Gonzales! Or maybe Christian Hosoi?
Gonz is correct! And Hosoi was an influence, too,
so bonus point! Who drew the graphic on the board he
is riding on the SOTY cover?
5: This one is really hard. We just watched his Epicly Later'd again a
few days ago, after we watched the Nuge one.
M: He's jumping through the fire. Is it Sleazer? I can't remember.
Incorrect! It was also Mark Gonzales!
S: We need to change the name of the band now—facing reality.
Tell me about the time you met
Cardiel the band in Mexico City.
John Cardiel: They were super rad, playing music
at this crazy party promoting tequila. Everyone was fucked up and
faded. There were broken tequila shot glasses all over the floor, in the
bathroom, everywhere. Dudes were raging. I still find blood and chunks
of glass in my record bog from that show. It makes me feel so good.
There's those vibes in it.
Just for clarification: you turned pro for Dogtown, right?
J: Yeah, after a contest in Seal Beach. They gave me some money and
Red Dog gave us some weed. Then I went on a little tour driving
around with Karma and Wade doing demos. We showed up at a
shop and there was no demo. They were like, No, we never got the call.
We never heard nothing. We talked to somebody back home and they
were like, No, Dogtown's done. Shit hit the fan. My board never
came out.
Did you turn pro skating or snowboarding first?
J: Shit, that’s a good question. I think it was skating first. I don't really
know, though. It was a weird time. I was doing snowboard contests and
it just kind of switched over, I think because of the skateboarding thing.

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7/28/1988 - 3/31/2024
AMES MADE US all feel special. He was the biggest, shatter-
your-hand-with-a-high-five, mountain of a human who had an even
larger heart filled with love for his friends—and he never hesitated
to let them know. James would frequently text or call to make sure you
were doing okay. Гт just checking in on you, buddy. The conversations
often ended with, I love you, buddy You know Гт your cheerleader. I know
I’m not special or alone here—James sent those messages to so many
of his friends, letting them know he cared and was thinking about
them. Those check-ins mattered. They carried so much weight.
They brightened any day. My heart is broken, as I know many others
are; we lost our biggest cheerleader. Thank you, James, for making us
all feel special. You will be in our hearts forever. —Jim Thiebaud^
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YOUTH
SKATE CO.
A Midwest skateboard company.
What do you do when you're well past your
prime, suck at skating now but still want
to stay in the skate community? You start
a board company. That is exactly what
Youth Skate Co. is. As well as starting a
board company we wanted to put some shine
on the state we call home. Michigan, and
the Midwest as a whole have so much
untapped potential. So we're tapping this
keg and getting the party started.
youthskateco.com
@ /youthskateco
Love,
Your local skateboard company.
RIP IN PEACE
TIM ACHILLE
8/6/1977
4/5/2024
У buddy Tim. Tim the brim. Brim Achille. Loved hats.
Jl^rl And camouflage. Biggest skate rat I ever met.
J) ▼ " Always smiling. Even when mad. Maybe he had resting
chuckle face. Heart of solid gold. Beat cancer. Amazing carpenter
with a proud carpenter butt crack always on display. A rad dad
to beautiful baby Wayion with great girl Celina. I’m proud to
have been able to call you my buddy, Tim. Above the clouds.
—Brian Dale 4
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SHIT IS
WEAK.
I COULDA
DONE THAT!
TRASH’
"YA oiling Over 30 boasted the skybar of our January 1988
жгж *ssue and ins’de we learned that both Tony Alva and
Stacy Peralta had passed the dreaded three-decade
__________I mark, but were somehow (miraculously?) still able to ride on their
skateboards. The cut-off age for participation has edged up steadily since then,
with both Alva and his counterweight Steve Alba continuing to shred the
round-wall into their 60s and many of street skating’s pioneers maintaining
their crooks and tres on the edge of 50.
MASTER BLASTER
Behind the lens or on the board,
ain't nobody got it like Matt Bublitz
If there is an end to our skateboarding days,
it’s still far out of sight, it seems. Still if seeing
the UK’s Tom Knox's five children feels
otherworldly to the average teen shredder,
what of the growing list of skateboarding
grandfathers? Absurd? Are there even any?
Short story: yes. In addition to Lance
Mountain (grandad to seven) Steve Olson
and even Sean Sheffey. this month we have
Canadian luminary Rick McCrank joining the
list of proud skateboarding pop-pops. Trading
his oat milk for prune juice? Don’t bet on it.
Congrats, Crankers Ain’t life great? Speaking
of. big love to Baker’s Stu Kir st. wed recently
to his lovely lady Addison. All our best!
In the wonderful
world of shoe,
we’ve got more
great news for
Gas Giants’
Ish Cepeda
in the form
of a DC
"Metric S’*
pro model,
available
now.
And don't ask Nora if
she can switch tre either!
As far as management, however.
Ish is on his own as Long Island's
Frank Mare has cut ties with the
storied organization. Over at America
with an E. handplant juggernaut
Erick Winkowski scored a signature
kick, a mid-top joint perfect for all
kinds of on-board weirdness. Was
that what teammate Braden Hoban
was wearing when he got first in
front of his hometown crowd at the
recent SLS? Shit, probably. Nike SB,
skateboarding’s largest footwear
supplier, has their team working quadruple
time these days for video project yet untitled.
Three filmers—Will Miles. Johnny Wilson
and our guy Ant Travis are leading a who’s
who of swoosh royalty on back-to-back
hammer-dropping excursions to New Zealand,
Milan, Taiwan. Sicily. Madrid. Puerto Rico and
beyond. A full part from Antonio Durao?
Comeback redemption for Daan Van Der
Linden? Karim Callender s pro debut?
Yes. we’re hearing, yes. And all before the end
of summer. More rumors have Vans rippers
Zion Wright and Elijah Berle barnstorming
down to Texas for some heavy moves on
classic spots. Was big John Fitzgerald also
involved? If so, how much barbecue was
he able to consume? In other Vans news,
is Kyle Walker getting so buck that
he requires inflatable crash pads just
to survive the streets? And what of
Australia’s Rome Collyer, bringing his
Down Under dominance to the spots
of Los Angeles? Has a certain Nor-Cai
board concern taken notice? How many
questions do we gotta ask here, anyway?
One more: can Hermann Stene use
your bathroom?
Mash-up wise, we’ve got Karl
Watson s Maxallure crossing
proverbial streams with the Lifted
Research Group, the death of
which has apparently been wildly
exaggerated. Thunder is giving
the of collab piggyback ride to
the Northeast’s Alltimers brand
and here at the Bible, we
did a quick sandwich with
the good blokes from UK’s
Palace—which you may only
see in person if you skate
curbs with Frank Mare.
Portugal’s Jorge
Simbes is riding for
the illustrious Plan В
skateboards team, while squad founder and
Great Wall of China jumper Danny Way
recently celebrated his big 5-0, probably with
some sort of super-human feat. Or at least a
cake with friends and family. Way also has
teamed up with top scientists to create his own
line of kratom products called Element 115.
In other stories of the wonders of the human
body, Philly’s Stevie Williams has taken his
weight training and fitness to the next level,
even adding tfsemenretention to his workout
video hashtags. Do you, Mr. Williams. While
Stevie’s holding things in. Welcome’s Nora
Vasconcellos had her gallbladder removed
(by a doctor, not someone at the gym) which
should get her back to kickflipping and cat
dancing in no time. Godspeed, both of you.
Nike SB’s Poe Pinson was swooped up by
the THERE skateboards program, who may
be their first SLS athlete and will also be
appearing in the aforementioned Nike flick.
Further down the board wall. Uma Landsleds
has changed their name to Umaverse after a
cease and desist from the lawyers at Puma,
though their amazing team remains tight as
ever. Also in wood, Australian ATV
Kieran Woolley will be singing the hits with
Bill Weiss popular Opera brand.
Finally, all the sad news. This month we say
goodbye to legendary skater and beloved
friend James Hardy, gone way too soon.
Friends and family are also grieving the
passing of Philly great Tim Achille, and our
hearts are with partner Celina and daughter
Wayion during this terrible time. East Coast
verticalist Greg Hiler has also passed,
remembered for his powerful moves and
ability to shake any ramp he dropped in on.
Lastly. Albert Madrid had a short tenure
on Deathwish and has died after years of
struggling with substance abuse.
Our condolences to his friends and family
Sad times. A great reminder to be thankful for
today. Thanks, everybody.
QUOTES:
“I came close to getting a Skategoat tattoo on my
chest when I was 17 * —Bob LaSalle
“I’d be taking out the trash, forget
about that shit and get run over "
—Mike Sinclair, regarding the
running of the bulls
“You can’t talk shit on P-Rod,
he's skateboarding’s Selena." —Bob Reynolds
“1 do chess with my body; it's called jiu-jitsu.”
—Chris Russell
QIJOTI OF THt MONTH:
“We need a Thrasher shirt
with all my quotes on the
back, bro.” —Caleb Barnett
“It’s not often that a scooterer gets you fired up
to land some shit.” —Kyle Walker
“I wonder if he gets scared
watching me?” —Fabiana Deifino,	j
about her brother Pedro
“I played pickleball with Johnny Rad today.”
—Aaron Meza
“That’s not even a no-brainer!” —Hermann Stene
“1 ate shit so hard filming that my P2 card flew
out of the camera." —Matt Bublitz
“All I know about street skating
is Ishod’s the GOAT and
Mason’s my favorite skater."
—Jimmy Wilkins
THRASHER’S HORROR-SCOPES
)j(AR/FS
Your skote trip to Mexico City is
amazing! Until you pass out in a
taqueria trapper from a most heinous
rase of Montezuma's Revenge.
^TAURUS
You skate the wrong dude's house
and end up getting shot through
the buttcheeks with a thirty-aught-
six.
^GEMINI
After discovering the Rasa Libre video
on YouTube, you grow dreads, buy a
four-fool bong attached to a drum
and disappear into the forest,
never to be seen again.
* CANCER
You try to boordslide your first
double-kink rail, fail miserably
and somehow split your taint into
equal thirds.
*1FO
Rob Dyrdek loans you his time
machine so you can see what the '90s
were like. Unfortunately, Mike V
beats you up after mistaking your
skate shoes for some kinda jock shit.
к VIRGO
You steal wood from a construction
site to build a sick miniramp.
The workers see you, follow you
home and take a dump in your
mom's Toyota Corolla as payback.
ifrLIBRA
After inviting your love interest to the
local skatepark, they are immediately
swept off their feet by the benihana
fly-aut champ who always reeks of
kind bud and zit cream.
* SCORPIO
You win first place in a local contest.
The prize is a warped Blind board
someone found in their trunk.
“1 think 1 can ollie higher on a
bike than on my skateboard.”
—Grey son Fletcher
"Tupac never rapped about Sebastopol.
—Dennis Busenitz
“Barbecue chips are for old people.” —Ruby Lilley
“We went from getting kicked out to Hermann
Stene taking a dump in the dude’s bathroom.”
—Tim Fulton, regarding skating house spots
“You don’t need skate shoes for vert;
let’s be honest.” —Gus Gordon
“I don’t have to steal from Whole Foods
anymore!” —Nikolai Piombo got a contract
“Damn, that’s sick. My dad got arrested to that
song."—Zak “Ducky" Kovacs, regarding “Blackout"
by the Scorpions
“Imagine the shit that animals
have seen." —Curren Caples
“Pain is temporary; these clips are
forever." —Toby Ryan
± SAGITTARIUS
You finally start your local board
company just as all of your friends
quit skating to eat drugs and listen to
EDM with their shirts off.
± CAPRICORN
While bombing a hill, you crash into
a parked police car. You not only
break your arm, but get arrested
for making a cop spill hot coffee on
his balls.
^AQUARIUS
You get so drunk at a video premiere
that you barf all over your new
Polar Surf Pants. Your new
nickname immediately becomes:
"The Green Wave"
^PISCES
Your dad, who quit skating in '96,
decides to get back on the board. He
shows up at your local spot carrying a
boombox and wearing a doo-rag.

McCrank a grandpa
Hold the rocking chair
Kieran Woolley on
Opera
’Til the fat Sheila sings
Uma becomes
Umaverse
Spliffs in space
Winkowski gets
a pro shoe
You mean gloves?
Spanky for
J Crew
Putting those W
patches on the
elbows to the test I
Poe Pinson on THERE
There we go!
Skating playgrounds
Bring a juice box
Backyard
pools on
the cover
And a
cyclops, too!
James Hardy RIP
Alabama legend, he will be
missed
Tim Achille RIP
Inspirational
skater and dad,
forever in our
hearts
Greg Hiler RIP
True East vertical ripper,
power and grace
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FIRING LINE
ERICK WINKOWSKI
Never forget: Henry Gartland—E Forever
Last tattoo: Gusano borracho
Musical instrument: Accordion
Favorite place to visit: Mexico
Caps or blotter to enhance a session:
Both are great. Blotter lasts longer
which keeps the session going
Favorite skate video: Crusty Demons
San Diego GOATS: Tommy Sandoval.
Brandon Turner and Matt Swanguen
Hometown: Southeast San Diego
Age: 28,1 think
Sponsors: Santa Cruz, Independent,
OJs. Bronson, Mob, Emerica
Always forget: My age	4
If you could be any animal: Mountain lion
Favorite ’80s skater: Jeff Phillips
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Five road dogs: Willis Kimbel.
Danny Dicola, Henry Gartland,
Jhancarlos Gonzalez, Rob Pace
Dream ledge trick: I *
Fakie frontside blunt to fakie

Favorite skatepark: Memorial in San Diego
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Musical genius: Celso Pifia
Three things you can't live without:
Sun. trees and water
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